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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the

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army if the game is rigged change the

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game

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fade to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening

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payton black

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bespoke radio

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yeah today's wednesday september 22nd

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265 days into the new year

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only 100 days left

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nobody mentioned that i was 10 days off

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for the last three months

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i don't know how it happened

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere the total

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undisclosed location

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but it is beautiful in here and i would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the united

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states hither and tether to and fro back

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and forth up and down east and west

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north and south far and near

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this is fade to block for kjcr

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the game changer network i'm your host

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here we go tonight very special guest

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continuing our first time guests

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week tonight

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tonight number three

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lost history explorer timothy alberini

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wraps up the week

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three first-time guests absolutely

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incredible tomorrow night it is another

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fader night with open lines all night

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that's right uh tomorrow night i was

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talking to brad and uh

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he's getting me the files

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uh that he shot over at the conscious

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life expo so we're going to do some of

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that tomorrow night i'll uh

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blow out my camera roll from this past

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weekend and uh we'll go through all of

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that tomorrow night it was uh it was a

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great conference it was a great

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conference so there you go um justin

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i use night sky okay there i got that in

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yeah that's what i use night sky

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f2b is the sandbox right here on twitter

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wanna it's a great night when i get to

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that's pretty cool that's pretty oh more

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the show off right

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in and out burger do i do animal style

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i've come and gone with animal style now

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uh for those out there that have no idea

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secret menu there's a whole list of

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and and fries now they only have that's

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it they have burgers and fries and

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stuff to drink they don't have some

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it doesn't exist there's no desserts

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no salads you don't go to in and out for

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a salad that's not what they're about

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single double triple or whatever you

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15 words um but animal style

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and so uh you can order it that way but

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and i do that once in a while and when i

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do it i'm usually pretty hungry and you

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think that you're gonna plow through it

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and what that is is their secret sauce

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i think other people do it now uh you

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can get your burgers protein style

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for a while i did protein style

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and uh it's okay man i i love it i love

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it i love it it's it's

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there's nothing healthy about it i don't

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it's just so wrong

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and you know it's wrapped in lettuce and

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okay you're taking the bread out you're

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making a health conscious decision here

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no all you're doing is getting

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you know get a triple

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uh protein style wrapped in lettuce

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you're just getting they might as well

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give you just three patties

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uh hamburger and just put them in your

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you could probably order um can i get

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just just put it in my hand no no buns

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just put the whole burger

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in my hands when i pull up all right all

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right enough of that do a whole show on

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hashtag f2b is the sandbox on twitter

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you can do that hello to everybody all

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around the world what is going on you

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know there you go what a great week on

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the show

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vivian

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was amazing on monday night last night

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krista the show with krista last night

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shows we've done in a long time here and

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there's a lot of reasons for that

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she's got it all figured out

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last night and and vivian right i mean

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just great shows this week but last

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night was really special and and

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uh you know i'm feeling phone calls

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and a couple of texts and so if you can

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get to me through a phone number

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then then we're friends right if i

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somebody texts me

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we are friends okay that's a that's a

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for me to get a phone call from somebody

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listening to the show

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that is pretty cool and that happened

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today

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and i'm going to let you know so yeah so

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you've got my phone number

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and you can text me that's pretty cool

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that's the secret number but i have a

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second phone

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i have this secret phone it's another

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iphone another iphone 12 looks the same

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looks the same it's got a different case

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you know so i can tell them apart

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but anyway

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so do you have the super secret

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phone number

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that's right if you ever look at me

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closely

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you'll see one phone out

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and then you'll see me

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there's a second phone

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i wonder what that is

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so think about that

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think about that

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all right where am i at let's get to the

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breaking news

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this is crazy as most of you know um

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i was uh born in chicago not exactly

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chicago just north of chicago at the

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great lakes naval station

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um and then i did my formative

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teenage years in panama and then

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before panama after panama was in

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indianapolis so midwest right okay

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but chicago

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is near and dear to my heart

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all right and then i got this news today

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for me

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as a kid you know i'm five i'm six i'm

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seven years old

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walking down to the beach of lake

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michigan which we virtually lived on it

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was just a hundred yards from the house

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head down the hill and you're you're

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there there's lake michigan which seems

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like an ocean especially when you're

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that young because you can't not only

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you can't see the other side but it goes

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in both directions it is j it's big

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and i've seen a lot of crazy things down

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there but then i got this news today

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listen to this

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up to 16 foot waves

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16 foot

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are forecast now

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near chicago

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right now as this show is broadcasting a

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strong storm system is forecast to

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develop tonight and strengthen into

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tomorrow across the midwest winds will

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begin to howl in parts of illinois

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michigan and ohio

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winds gusting to 50 miles an hour could

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generate towering wave heights of 10 to

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15 feet in the southwest parts of lake

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erie and lake huron

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on the southwest shores of lake michigan

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chicago

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generate waves as high as 16 feet

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through tomorrow morning

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16 feet

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and it's happening

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right

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now

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has to do with

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the cold you know coming in the hot and

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cold water and the storm everything it

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is a perfect condition

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16 foot waves

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on the shores of lake michigan in

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chicago and

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there's some spots if you look at lake

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shore drive

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look at the side of chicago look at

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where the navy pier is look at all of

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that that stuff ain't ready for those

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16-foot waves

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no

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[Music]

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oh man i can't wait to see the video

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it's going to be incredible everybody

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stay safe yesterday

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the u.s space force unveiled its new

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uniform prototypes

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drawing comparisons to star trek and

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battle star galactica

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the space forces service dress prototype

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you know dress uniforms was introduced

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at the air force association's air space

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and cyber conference in maryland

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yesterday it includes a navy coat with

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six buttons

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running diagonally

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up the right hand side and gray pants

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now um somebody's going to start uh

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posting these pictures of the new

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uniforms on twitter you got to do that

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post it up and uh post the pictures with

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uh comparisons to captain kirk and star

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galactica because i've seen the photo

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comparisons

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and yes there's no doubt that somebody

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has watched the wrath of khan

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too many times but they look pretty cool

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they they look pretty cool it's the

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space force

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but uh

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yeah there you go thank you kaz

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look at the new uniforms look at these

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check out kazz

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um yeah somebody posts the side by sides

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when you look at the side by sides

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uh space

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uh when you look at the side by sides

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it's it's spot on the money there there

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are no differences between the uniform

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dress uniforms

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okay i popped this up in twitter for

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everybody to see

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um yeah do the side by side i think they

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look great

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it's the collar right the lack of you

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know the

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buttons going down the center

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the lack of collar the open collar

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showing the shirt underneath

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it's identical to wrath of kanye there

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you go look

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i think they look great i really really

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do

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that's you need that

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for ufo hunting

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there you go all right nasa

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nasa is seeking applicants

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like you

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for participation as a crew member

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during the first one year analog mission

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in a habitat

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to simul simulate life on a distant

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world set to begin in the fall of 2022.

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this is going on now

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in preparation for the real life

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challenges of future missions on mars

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nasa will study how highly motivated

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individuals respond under the rigor of

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long-duration ground-based

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simulation

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the series of missions known as crew

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health and performance exploration

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analog

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includes three one-year mars surface

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simulations based on nasa's based at

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nasa's johnson space center

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it gets funky

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each mission will consist of four

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four four

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crew members living and working

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in a 1700 square foot module

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that is 3d printed by a company called

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icon

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they are calling the habitat the mars

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dune alpha

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the mda

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the habitat will simulate the challenges

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of emission on mars including

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resource limitations cutting them off of

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water right food

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equipment failure that's right

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communication delays we need help but

430
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nobody's listening and and other things

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that will totally stress everyone out

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seriously

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would you sign up for that

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have a college degree or

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i think ever all four

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have to have 1 000

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flight hours as a pilot

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is that a lot

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a thousand hours

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just 40 hours a week 10 weeks would be

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400 hours

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so that's uh

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right

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so 20 weeks would be 800 so then add on

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another 10 weeks another 2010

446
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so i guess that's what is that

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a year

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if you do 20 to 40 hours a week

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i guess that's not much i don't know i

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don't know i don't know how they do that

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flight count uh the hours up there but

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there you go and you can go apply right

453
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now

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over at nasa.gov

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space outfits are cool but i was hoping

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they would go more of a flying elvis

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thing you know what you're absolutely

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right

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that's what they should do spacex kind

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of did that they did a little elvis

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aloha from hawaii that vibe

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and uh

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muppet pimpin plimpton

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pip

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muppet pimpin

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that's pretty cool oh is this it is that

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the

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me up

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00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,400
there's no way that that's what that

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00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,320
looks like on the inside that's the

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outside that's where the scientists that

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are studying them sit

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[Laughter]

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00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,919
there's no way that that's on the inside

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00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,200
there's no way

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00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:01,600
oh wow that's crazy

477
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:04,799
so is that right is this cavs this is

478
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:08,080
cool oh this is the 3d printing

479
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of them building it oh i get it all

480
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:12,240
right my bad and i'm such a doofus let's

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get this show cracking happy birthday to

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today scott baio

483
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is 61.

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joan jett

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scott baio that's

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what was his name on

487
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happy days

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joanie loves what was his name i can't

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remember joan jet today is 63.

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um andrea boccelli today is 63.

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tony basil

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great of a song that was the video

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00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,679
everybody loved tony basil tony basil

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today

495
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:51,760
is 78

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she was like what 45

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i had no idea david coverdale the

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legend legendary

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david coverdale is 72 deep purple white

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snake

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and what's your favorite

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david coverdale song

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is it deep purple is it white snake is

504
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it here we go again i know that's where

505
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:21,679
you i know that's what you're thinking

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bullet boys front man mark taurean today

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is 57 and our dead guy's birthday today

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is roger nichols 1944 to 2011 died at

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the age of 66. roger is considered by

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myself and most of the music industry to

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be one of the greatest engineers in

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modern history there's no question about

513
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that his long list of credits include

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steely dan john denver the beach boys tv

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wonder frank zappa crosby stills and

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nash al dimiola roseanne cash roy

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orbison gloria estefan diana ross bella

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fleck and the flecktones ricky lee jones

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00:26:03,029 --> 00:25:59,840
kenny loggins mark knopfler eddie murphy

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michael mcdonald and james taylor

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that

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is roger nichols

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on february 11 2012 roger was awarded a

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special merit technical grammy award his

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eighth grammy overall

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roger was diagnosed with stage four

527
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pancreatic cancer on may 29 2010. in

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early 2011 he was reported to be

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fighting for his life

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he died on april 9 2011 at the age of

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66. on this day in history 1953

532
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the first four level

533
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four four

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or stack interchange in the world

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opens in los angeles california it's

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still there at the intersection of the

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harbor

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hollywood pasadena

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and santa ana freeways

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and i was thinking about this today i

541
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,720
didn't know there was a pasadena freeway

542
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,559
i thought that that was the 110. the

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00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:02,640
harbor is the 110 the hollywood is the

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101 the santa anna is the five

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00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:09,200
here's the deal

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00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,799
they went

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00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:12,480
and

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00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,440
started this project the 110 freeway

549
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:17,279
that was going to go back in and connect

550
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,279
because the original

551
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:21,120
pasadena freeway

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00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,240
uh

553
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:25,039
was windy it was built for it it's

554
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:27,279
treacherous to drive on today it's still

555
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,320
there it was built for like model t's

556
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:33,120
i'm not kidding in like 1915 whatever

557
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,559
it's narrow

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00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:36,720
the entrance ramps

559
00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:39,520
they're like uh a drag strip you just

560
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:41,640
pull up and go pull up and go

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[Music]

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00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,200
they're short and anyway

563
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,520
uh they never finished the other

564
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,520
extension the freeway extension there

565
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,120
were protests and tearing down the

566
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:53,679
houses and all nobody wanted to do it so

567
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,760
the freeway never got built so they've

568
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:57,840
still got the old one there

569
00:28:03,190 --> 00:27:59,919
a little bit of southern california

570
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:03,200
trivia for you fader fact

571
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,470
with casino distributions

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00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:12,000
right

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00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,799
every seminal indian child born

574
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:18,960
is a multi-millionaire

575
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,840
when they turn 18

576
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and that

577
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is your fader fact

578
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,840
there you go

579
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:29,840
all right tonight very special guest

580
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,080
right here timothy albarini

581
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,799
wraps up this week of three first-time

582
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,399
guests it's gonna be a great show

583
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:38,399
tonight tomorrow night's another fader

584
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,840
night not just another fade tonight

585
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:41,440
we're gonna be taking calls on that long

586
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:42,840
of course

587
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,880
but we're gonna we're gonna re-wrap

588
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,520
unwrap and go back to

589
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,200
this past weekend with the conscious

590
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,440
life expo and i've got a lot of photos

591
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,600
and so does brad hair so we're gonna do

592
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:57,440
some of that uh tomorrow night too as

593
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:59,360
well well i'm going to reveal all of the

594
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,799
pics that i have i'm going to do the

595
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,799
same thing with brad but it's not going

596
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,480
to take up the whole show because we're

597
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:06,559
taking phone calls it's fader night all

598
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:09,200
right all right now

599
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:15,830
i have two cups

600
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:29,230
same pot exactly the same

601
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,590
rivermoonwellness.com got a tweet

602
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i think it came in this morning

603
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:35,679
jimmy my first

604
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,240
my first cup has been brood of the game

605
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changer blend and i was so happy to see

606
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,480
that and to see somebody do a pour

607
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,799
through a drip over

608
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pour over

609
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:47,520
um

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00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:50,640
that's a good way uh to make coffee i

611
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,360
don't know um

612
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,039
it's really weird

613
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,679
because i love a french press

614
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,600
there's something about a french press

615
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,120
it's got its own thing

616
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:02,799
pour over

617
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,600
it's got its own thing going on a good

618
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:07,600
coffee maker just a good drip coffee

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maker

620
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has got its own thing going on there are

621
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many ways uh to brew coffee

622
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,799
and everyone has got its own distinct

623
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thing

624
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so i don't lean in in any area but

625
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i do all three all the time

626
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:29,360
i do like to pour over though and for

627
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,640
look

628
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,159
i've got a drip

629
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i drip i do i got a coffee machine

630
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um but uh

631
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when you do the pour over

632
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,000
and and the french press now you're into

633
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,080
ceremony there's a whole process that

634
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you have to go through for that

635
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and the serum still of the night says

636
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greta anderson i know right

637
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,519
still of the night is strong

638
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:00,080
oh i wanted to say this man my whole

639
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:02,840
rant i'll save my rant for tomorrow

640
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,190
i just spent some time in northern

641
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california uh spent a few months up

642
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:14,080
there way north north northern

643
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california

644
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and i was listening to a classic rock

645
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:20,960
radio station up there

646
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,519
uh called the river

647
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,600
right and there was this guy on late

648
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,760
night now this is i'm telling you in the

649
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sticks

650
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:30,880
there's no fast food restaurants there's

651
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no ikeas we are in the remote part of

652
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the world

653
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,679
and uh but i'm listening to this this

654
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,919
cat on late night radio and i thought

655
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,960
well

656
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:43,039
this is who represents you know the

657
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,000
country up here and and i get that but

658
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,559
the guy just got on my nerves the music

659
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,039
is cool all right you know i got a lot

660
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:52,880
of white snakes still of the night and i

661
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,000
dug that

662
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,880
um but i i now i'm back in southern

663
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:58,559
california

664
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,840
and uh and i escaped that guy

665
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:03,600
and and i just thought well you know

666
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:05,679
he's doing his thing it's he's a dj up

667
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,320
in the uh up in the woods and

668
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,399
okay all right he represents what's

669
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:12,880
going on up there in northern california

670
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:15,440
he's got his gig fine just not my cup of

671
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,399
tea

672
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:18,880
coming down here to southern california

673
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,120
listening to

674
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:23,120
the quake

675
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,080
right

676
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,720
rock and roll

677
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,480
it's the same guy

678
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,399
in southern california

679
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:32,399
which means this guy's broadcasting

680
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,159
around the country late at night which

681
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:37,039
means you know who i'm talking about

682
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,320
and i just cannot it ruined

683
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,559
the radio station down here

684
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:44,880
i think this guy understands how bad he

685
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:45,919
is

686
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,120
oh

687
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,960
man this is a national syndicated guy

688
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:52,640
i'm not going to say his name

689
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,360
um his initials are mr but i'm not going

690
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:57,840
to say his name last name is it's mr

691
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,799
second initial is you

692
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,399
in his last name that's all i'm saying

693
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,559
i'm not going to give away his name

694
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:07,200
first name might be mark and it just

695
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:08,880
ruined

696
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:12,000
i i can't believe it and what radio has

697
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:13,840
turned into

698
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,320
he fit what was going on in northern

699
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,000
california he doesn't fit southern

700
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:20,880
california this is fade to block

701
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,399
i'm your host jimmy church tonight right

702
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,440
here third night in a row third night a

703
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:27,200
first time guest tonight

704
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,559
timothy albarin albarino is here i'm

705
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:33,120
your host jimmy church i'm now late i'm

706
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,720
going to get out of here

707
00:33:43,370 --> 00:33:36,240
we'll be right back with timothy

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00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:15,829
[Music]

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00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,919
this is nicole church daughter of you

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know who and you're listening to fade to

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you're listening to jimmy church fade to

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fate to black will now pause for alien

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headed do you wonder about the food

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today is to stockpile emergency food

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for more than a decade in fact they're

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the only source my family trusts for our

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preparedness plan you should too

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right now save 20 off a full four week

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supply of delicious meals that provide 2

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000 calories a day saving 20 helps too

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doesn't it especially now so go to

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prepare with jimmy.com and get ready

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that's prepare with jimmy.com there's no

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time to lose

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do it now

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fade to black

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is not

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your father's radio show

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra the planet

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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what's up i'm chris what up this is

801
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:36,200
jimmy church radio

802
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:53,990
all right welcome back fade to black i

803
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:56,240
am your host jimmy church this week on

804
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:59,359
fade to black three

805
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,760
when first-time

806
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,520
done this many shows over this many

807
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,079
years three first-time guests in a week

808
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:06,320
it's exactly what i would like to do

809
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:09,280
it's amazing to go through this tonight

810
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:11,920
it is timothy albarini

811
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,480
and he joins us uh for the first time to

812
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:16,240
discuss the film extraordinary the

813
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,520
revelations and what his search for lost

814
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:21,680
history has revealed we're going to go

815
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,119
through all of that tonight he's a

816
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:25,839
consummate explorer his inquisitive mind

817
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:28,320
and insatiable appetite for adventure

818
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:29,839
have led them all over the planet in

819
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:32,880
search of lost cities lost civilizations

820
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,520
hidden treasures and legendary creatures

821
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,839
he's also an avid researcher and

822
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:39,839
published author whose scholarly

823
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:42,400
pursuits are as daring as his

824
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:43,760
expeditions we're going to go through

825
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,400
all of that tonight and after years of

826
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:48,960
study albarino has garnered an extensive

827
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,359
knowledge base that enables him to

828
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:53,839
dissertate with authority on a wide

829
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:56,720
variety of esoteric topics

830
00:40:02,230 --> 00:39:59,520
this is my kind of shows and this

831
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,240
includes of course alternative history

832
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,160
ancient mythologies megalithic

833
00:40:08,829 --> 00:40:06,240
architecture giants bigfoot other

834
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:08,839
cryptids ufos alien abduction

835
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:11,760
timothy i gotta i gotta cut off your bio

836
00:40:13,830 --> 00:40:13,359
here man we don't have this much time

837
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:13,840
tonight

838
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:16,079
[Laughter]

839
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:17,640
we just don't

840
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:20,319
transhumanism right uh emerging

841
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,119
technologies a cult conspiracy

842
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,440
um and and there's another part to all

843
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:27,280
of this and and we'll get into some of

844
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:31,040
this and which is the religious side of

845
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,000
everything which involves all of us uh

846
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,640
going back thousands of years so uh

847
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,160
we'll we'll do a dance through all of

848
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:40,480
these subjects but before we do

849
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:44,000
you get the first time guest disclaimer

850
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,520
now the next time you're on the show

851
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,359
though tim you're not gonna get it okay

852
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:49,760
but you get it tonight which is it's

853
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,079
just you and i sitting on my couch

854
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:54,000
having a conversation as friends and

855
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,920
where that conversation starts it starts

856
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:57,760
where it ends it ends but we're gonna

857
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,560
end his friends there you go see not too

858
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,319
stressful you ready

859
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:04,640
it's a good deal yeah good deal well

860
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:08,319
first off let's actually start here

861
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:09,760
uh the film

862
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,560
extraordinary uh the revelations uh

863
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,880
premiered uh here in southern california

864
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:17,040
and pasadena i went to the premiere

865
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:20,400
i was a little nervous um got through it

866
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:21,760
very happy

867
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:25,040
by the end of the film but the one thing

868
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,480
for me

869
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,880
about the film is you

870
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:31,200
you you start the film

871
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,960
you you have a very interesting take and

872
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:36,400
spin on it

873
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:37,440
um

874
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:40,640
it's uh your seriousness

875
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,880
um in the way that uh you you approached

876
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,480
uh what you said

877
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:48,960
but that set the tone for the film and i

878
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,079
knew that we hit the ground running um i

879
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,839
like you have been watching the film

880
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:55,920
develop over the last year

881
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:59,119
and your intro to the film um always

882
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,560
stayed

883
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,400
and now the film has won best

884
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,480
documentary uh by the pasadena

885
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,800
international film festival it's got to

886
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,560
make you feel pretty good

887
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,960
that uh all of that years of hard work

888
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:13,440
are starting to get recognized

889
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:15,920
well congratulations to john and jack

890
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:18,000
and laurie and everybody else involved

891
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,440
in that film it was a very well done

892
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,000
film doesn't surprise me that it it won

893
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,599
the award

894
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:24,800
and actually

895
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:27,760
this has been a project that if memory

896
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,280
serves me right goes back five years yes

897
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:32,720
i remember being interviewed for this

898
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,920
film a long time ago it seems and uh

899
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:37,359
i've always kind of wondered what

900
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,319
happened to that film and and it's it's

901
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,079
really nice to see it

902
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:44,640
finished and polished and uh

903
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,480
and i think the uh the public's gonna

904
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,640
enjoy this film a lot when it when it uh

905
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:51,119
when it's available yeah and uh

906
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,240
the one

907
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:55,119
the pandemic happened right

908
00:43:03,109 --> 00:42:59,440
and it did yeah yeah exactly and uh

909
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,119
uh when uh when i finally got the rough

910
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,319
cuts which you know this is a while ago

911
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,920
and uh

912
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,160
and everything was clicking on all

913
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,560
cylinders were looking good

914
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:13,760
and then

915
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:15,760
the world just came apart

916
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,040
and it delayed everything including uh

917
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:22,079
this and and the production staff that

918
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:23,920
are involved in the film

919
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:26,800
uh everything just stopped our world

920
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,160
stopped uh but uh thankfully it got

921
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,040
completed and i think it allowed all of

922
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:35,680
us uh to just go back and which you

923
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:37,920
never have you've got extra time now

924
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,920
let's go back and analyze right let's

925
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,440
take another look at the music let's

926
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:44,160
take another look at the edits uh more

927
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,359
time for for animation and graphics and

928
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,599
then of course more time for me to recut

929
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,520
the narration because my first run

930
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:53,359
sucked right so

931
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:54,640
so we

932
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:58,480
we we ended up uh with something that uh

933
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,599
uh was well thought through and i think

934
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,000
it it really shows in this final cut

935
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,079
which you have just viewed

936
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:08,640
it does definitely very well done film

937
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,640
now um i want to start here with you um

938
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,119
uh getting around the world and having

939
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:17,359
the opportunity to

940
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,720
uh go to uh different sites and

941
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:22,880
and and do the research

942
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,880
uh firsthand is something that most

943
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:26,960
people don't get a chance to do it's

944
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,760
your research and and and

945
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:31,839
you know your documentaries and and and

946
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,040
books that

947
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,599
uh allows us to be an armchair

948
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:37,760
researcher right but you're out there

949
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:41,520
doing it um uh first on how did this

950
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,760
uh fascination for for hard work uh into

951
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:47,359
these different sites around the world

952
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,760
and civilizations how did that start for

953
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,550
well um there's kind of two origin

954
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:56,720
stories there one is how i personally

955
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:59,280
got started uh in all of this and that's

956
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,240
that's

957
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:02,400
a kind of a different story and then

958
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:05,359
um there's the question of how my

959
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,280
work actually began in terms of

960
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:09,119
producing the videos and

961
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:10,319
and um

962
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,760
and writing the book i've written and

963
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:13,520
everything like that and that really

964
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:15,760
began about that part of my story began

965
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,200
about i would say seven years ago

966
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,880
when i moved to bozeman montana i moved

967
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:23,440
to montana to work with uh author steve

968
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,880
quayle

969
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,200
and uh steve and i together

970
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,520
started gen six productions and we

971
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:31,440
decided to

972
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:32,880
produce a

973
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:33,599
a

974
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:37,359
true legends

975
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:41,040
and that's what kicked off the

976
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,720
the hands-on

977
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,400
research

978
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,160
in terms of actually traveling to these

979
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,480
different sites for the purpose of of

980
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:50,079
researching

981
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:55,119
primarily giants the question of whether

982
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:57,200
giants actually existed and if there was

983
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:58,960
evidence for them

984
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,359
on earth but we also bled into other

985
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:03,520
topics including the ufo topic in those

986
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:04,720
films

987
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:05,599
um

988
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:06,560
and so

989
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,040
uh that was uh

990
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:11,680
that was the beginning of the hands-on

991
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,319
in the field research and that was about

992
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:16,800
seven years ago but but my interest in

993
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,359
the topics and and really my informal

994
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,839
research i i maybe i would call it

995
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:24,000
uh happened a long time ago when i was

996
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:24,880
uh

997
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:27,599
you know when i was living in the amazon

998
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:31,200
and and uh how many years uh when you

999
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,000
say living in the amazon

1000
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,400
uh that's just daunting what a crazy

1001
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:39,119
thought right um how long did you live

1002
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:40,480
in the amazon

1003
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,119
about 10 years

1004
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:47,920
and and at times at times i was actually

1005
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,160
living in the middle of nowhere in the

1006
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:52,000
jungle you know with hunters and

1007
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,599
lumberjacks uh and at other times i was

1008
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:57,520
living in

1009
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,280
jungle cities like iquitos and tarapoto

1010
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:03,119
for those who are familiar with peru

1011
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:06,079
recognize those cities towns really

1012
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,280
and uh

1013
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:09,520
okay so those are towns that's a little

1014
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,880
bit more

1015
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,480
uh uh

1016
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:14,960
there may be an actual bed right to

1017
00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:17,760
sleep yeah it's domesticated amazon life

1018
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:20,760
yeah domesticated amazon live but the

1019
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,480
undomesticated amazon life uh

1020
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,800
what was that like uh are we talking

1021
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,079
about a tent

1022
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:30,480
uh some of the best experiences i've

1023
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:31,599
ever had

1024
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:34,240
you know i when i was 18 years old i i

1025
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:35,680
always say this because it's it's true

1026
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,640
it's really

1027
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:38,480
the only way i can accurately explain it

1028
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,440
i was

1029
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:41,599
i dropped out of

1030
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,000
slash got kicked out of

1031
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,880
high school in my senior year

1032
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:47,839
and

1033
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,440
i was living in the amazon basin of peru

1034
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,000
and uh so

1035
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:57,920
i had always had a fascination with the

1036
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:00,640
amazon as you read in my bio i i've had

1037
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:03,200
this and it's the right word insaciable

1038
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:04,880
desire for adventure when i was growing

1039
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,240
up i mean i grew up in a boring sterile

1040
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:09,760
prosaic

1041
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:11,680
uh suburb

1042
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,079
uh of cleveland ohio

1043
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,000
and uh you know the most adventure i

1044
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:18,000
could get my hands on was riding my bike

1045
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:19,680
into metro parks you know and and that

1046
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:21,200
wasn't going to cut it for me i wanted

1047
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:24,319
like indiana jones type adventure and

1048
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:25,200
so

1049
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,800
to

1050
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,400
the amazon

1051
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,400
and i had always had a fascination with

1052
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:35,520
the amazon growing up and so when i got

1053
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,559
there

1054
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,960
it exceeded my expectations in terms of

1055
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,400
how much i

1056
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:42,880
enjoyed it i absolutely loved see i was

1057
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:45,359
a fish out of water in in that prosaic

1058
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:47,040
suburb of cleveland

1059
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:49,599
but i was at home

1060
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:52,240
in the amazon i absolutely i took to it

1061
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:55,040
immediately i learned the language i

1062
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:56,640
loved hanging out with the old timers

1063
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,680
and their canoes and you know tell

1064
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:01,599
telling me the stories and eating the

1065
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,559
exotic foods and you know and and just

1066
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,800
living living with the lumberjacks and

1067
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,559
hunters and

1068
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,800
it was it was really truly the formative

1069
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:12,720
years of my life the formative years of

1070
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:17,280
my life for sure now i um uh

1071
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:20,640
i did okay so when you go from cleveland

1072
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,760
right to the amazon at one point you're

1073
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:25,200
on a plane

1074
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,319
and you can remember cleveland from you

1075
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:30,480
know hours before

1076
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,760
now you're

1077
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:34,160
in the amazon right the next day

1078
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:35,440
whatever it is

1079
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:39,440
but the contrast is crazy and i did the

1080
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:40,720
same thing

1081
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,440
and i went from indianapolis

1082
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,079
to the jungles of panama

1083
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:49,040
in one day one day right

1084
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:52,880
and i'm sleeping that first night

1085
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,200
uh with these floor-to-ceiling uh

1086
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,280
screens

1087
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:00,880
no windows

1088
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:03,760
and i'm listening outside of my window

1089
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,000
is a jungle

1090
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,880
and i'm listening man i'm listening i

1091
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:10,319
heard things

1092
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,839
that first night

1093
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:13,920
that i've never heard before there isn't

1094
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,079
enough you described it perfectly you

1095
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,800
you described it perfectly that is the

1096
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,359
the experience that is the sensation and

1097
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,520
it's that first night when you're in the

1098
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,119
when you're in the amazon and you're lis

1099
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:26,880
you're just listening to the

1100
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:27,760
the

1101
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:31,119
uh profusion of life

1102
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:32,400
around you because you know we're used

1103
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:33,760
to cities and you know we'll see some

1104
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:35,599
birds in the air some dogs and cats but

1105
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:37,280
that's about it right when you're in the

1106
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:39,680
amazon you're just ensconced in

1107
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,040
biological life and death and half of it

1108
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,640
wants to eat you that's what i'm saying

1109
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:46,720
life and death yes

1110
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:49,920
and i was i i didn't sleep that first

1111
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,480
night i was like that is the crate

1112
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:55,280
something is getting eaten right right

1113
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:56,160
now

1114
00:51:03,030 --> 00:50:57,040
and

1115
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:03,040
contrast because i'm thinking to myself

1116
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:05,680
yesterday i was at the mall right

1117
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,880
exactly yeah and today it's this and and

1118
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:10,720
what i think everybody should go through

1119
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:13,839
that experience you know um i i have

1120
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:16,079
said so many times i'm sure

1121
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:17,839
uh you you and i were talking about this

1122
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:19,920
earlier the parallels in our lives are

1123
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:21,119
pretty funny

1124
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:23,119
but i'm sure that you have thought or

1125
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,119
said to other you know what

1126
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:27,760
leave the united states

1127
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:30,960
you've never left go and see

1128
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:33,200
what is out there there is another

1129
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,760
planet out there outside of this country

1130
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:37,680
and once you do well you start to

1131
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,400
appreciate uh what goes on here a little

1132
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,640
bit more because well we we don't

1133
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:44,880
appreciate what we do have but get

1134
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,200
outside of the united states and go and

1135
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:49,440
experience it i think everybody should

1136
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,839
do it don't you i wholeheartedly agree

1137
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:54,240
and that was my sentiment too was

1138
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:55,040
you

1139
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,000
was

1140
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,640
people have got to get out of there

1141
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:59,760
out of their

1142
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,880
uh

1143
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,079
their

1144
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,480
proverbial comfort zones and and and get

1145
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,640
into exotic environments

1146
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,800
that allow them to experience

1147
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,400
more of

1148
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:12,480
of not just uh

1149
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,480
not just the the natural environments

1150
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:15,920
the different biomes around the earth

1151
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:18,559
but also the different cultures

1152
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:21,839
it's just um it it matures you i think

1153
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:24,559
in many ways and i wanted you know i i

1154
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:27,200
wanted to try and get my friends to come

1155
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:29,280
down and some of them did at different

1156
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:30,640
points but

1157
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:33,599
you find out pretty quickly that you

1158
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,880
know when it comes to the amazon i'm

1159
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,720
sure the same i'm sure it's the same in

1160
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,559
africa and india and different areas of

1161
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,720
the earth which are very exotic and are

1162
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,800
and are for some people wonderful

1163
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:44,559
experiences but for a lot of people

1164
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:47,280
they're very bad experiences

1165
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:48,559
you know you take certain people and you

1166
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:50,319
put them in the amazon and you made a

1167
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,839
big mistake doing that because not

1168
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:53,680
everybody can handle

1169
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,800
uh you know the the savage

1170
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:58,880
sort of uh

1171
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:01,280
you know in your face uh

1172
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,160
um environment that the amazon is the

1173
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,480
the threat that it poses on one hand

1174
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:08,160
i've had malaria five times in yellow

1175
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:09,440
fever once

1176
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:11,920
in a few of those times uh you know i've

1177
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,119
had malaria deep in the amazon and um

1178
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,960
and yellow fever fortunately i wasn't

1179
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:18,720
deep in the amazon i was in i was in

1180
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:22,319
terrapoto and uh my neighbors found me

1181
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:24,400
and gave me some medicine

1182
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,440
um

1183
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,599
and uh so but yeah so there's good

1184
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:29,359
there's you know it's not like uh just a

1185
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,440
wonderland a lot of people will there's

1186
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:33,680
a lot of things um that are

1187
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,440
really amazing about getting especially

1188
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,119
getting into third world countries where

1189
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:38,880
there's where it's exotic like i said

1190
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:43,040
like like um the amazon africa india

1191
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,880
um there's a lot of amazing things but

1192
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,319
then there's there's a lot of hardship

1193
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,640
too that hit you in the face

1194
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:50,720
that you've never experienced before

1195
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:53,839
even things that are as uh simple as you

1196
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,800
know

1197
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:56,800
there's no running water in a lot of

1198
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:58,160
places you have flush toilets with

1199
00:54:02,390 --> 00:53:59,760
buckets of water and you know i mean

1200
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:02,400
that's a culture shock to people that a

1201
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:03,760
lot of people find difficult to deal

1202
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,280
with yeah

1203
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:07,599
we all go through that once you go into

1204
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:10,240
a third world environment and and you

1205
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,880
see it for the first time like you did

1206
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:14,559
and like i did

1207
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,319
i remember uh looking around and i'm

1208
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:21,119
seeing something very very cra i saw a

1209
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:22,559
line

1210
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:26,400
of moms with their children on their hip

1211
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:29,440
a line of like 50 people

1212
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,720
to get into this shower now it wasn't a

1213
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:34,720
shower it was a pipe coming out of the

1214
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:35,760
ground

1215
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,160
with a box around it in an open area

1216
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:42,880
and that that and i'm like what

1217
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:43,680
is

1218
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,760
and so i look around at everybody else

1219
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:47,760
nobody's looking

1220
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:50,079
right because they've seen it already

1221
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,839
i'm going through my shock

1222
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:55,760
whoa

1223
00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:00,480
that right there but once you encounter

1224
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:01,920
that right

1225
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:04,400
a bucket of water to flush a toilet no

1226
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,880
running water no electricity until you

1227
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:08,720
see it for the first time

1228
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,160
um it's it's something that you you you

1229
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:14,160
you won't understand the emotions that

1230
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,359
you go through

1231
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,280
um i certainly did

1232
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:19,680
um now okay let's uh before we get to

1233
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:21,119
this first break

1234
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:22,799
i want to set the tone for a couple of

1235
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:25,119
things uh we're gonna of course discuss

1236
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:26,160
the film

1237
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:28,799
in different sites around the world but

1238
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:32,240
your comments and views on

1239
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,920
ufology ufos et's and visitation

1240
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,920
are pretty profound

1241
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:39,359
but you

1242
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,839
told me and i i stopped you so i don't

1243
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:43,440
know the full story

1244
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:46,480
but um before you went to the amazon

1245
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:50,559
you're in cleveland and you had a ufo

1246
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:54,559
sighting and from what you started with

1247
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,400
it was a pretty incredible sighting can

1248
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,559
you tell me about what happened

1249
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,000
yeah actually it was when i came back

1250
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:03,280
from living in the amazon oh okay um i

1251
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:05,200
came back with my family and we went

1252
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,079
back to cleveland and we were living um

1253
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:10,160
in cleveland for a couple of years and

1254
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:12,319
it was during that time

1255
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,599
um

1256
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:15,119
that i had this encounter i was with my

1257
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,480
brother-in-law and here's the

1258
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:18,079
interesting thing i got to preface this

1259
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:19,200
because this is what makes it really

1260
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:20,480
interesting

1261
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:23,200
is that my brother-in-law and i

1262
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,480
would often

1263
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:26,559
work out in his basement he had some

1264
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:27,520
some

1265
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:32,000
and so he and i would would lift weights

1266
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,440
in his basement

1267
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:36,000
and we would we would have these really

1268
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,440
um

1269
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:39,200
we'd have these really great discussions

1270
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:40,880
and and we were both

1271
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,440
very interested in ufos

1272
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:45,920
and i was at that time already very

1273
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:48,400
steeped in ufology and kind of becoming

1274
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:50,160
a ufologist myself

1275
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:51,599
and he was interested in the topic so we

1276
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:53,920
were always talking about ufos

1277
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,680
especially especially as it related to

1278
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:59,520
the kinds of technologies that that

1279
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:00,640
maybe we

1280
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:03,680
we may have procured or derived from

1281
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:05,920
crash retrievals sure

1282
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:08,480
um obviously i was familiar with the uh

1283
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:11,440
philip corso colonel corso story and bob

1284
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:14,079
lazar and all the famous uh incidents

1285
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:15,520
and he was as well

1286
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,440
and we had watch documentaries together

1287
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:19,040
we were kind of both

1288
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:20,559
as i said very interested in the topic

1289
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:21,359
and

1290
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:22,799
so i have to preface it with that

1291
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:23,839
because

1292
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:25,599
that was actually the topic of

1293
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,000
conversation the day this happened and

1294
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,920
had been the topic of conversation for

1295
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:31,440
the last six months that we were working

1296
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:32,559
out together

1297
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:33,680
and so

1298
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:35,839
in the course of uh lifting in his

1299
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:38,079
basement he said hey let's go over to gn

1300
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:39,760
the gnc store the supplement store and

1301
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:41,599
get some get some creatine or whatever

1302
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:42,960
it was

1303
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:45,839
and so we just sort of quit and jumped

1304
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:47,200
in my car

1305
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:49,760
and headed for the suburb of brook park

1306
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:51,359
was 15 minutes outside of cleveland

1307
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:53,200
that's where i grew up brook park

1308
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:56,960
and uh long story short we we we were

1309
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:00,400
coming we were approaching the

1310
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,040
uh the brook eight shopping

1311
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,359
complex the brook 8 shopping strip mall

1312
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:07,680
you can look this up online and see it

1313
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,359
and and it's a strip mall so it's got a

1314
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:11,440
big parking lot out in front

1315
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:14,720
and this was a very very frigid night so

1316
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:17,359
it was sometime in february it was about

1317
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,240
uh eight or nine years ago maybe eight

1318
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:22,559
years ago sometime in february

1319
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,000
and um it was extremely windy so it was

1320
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:28,640
really windy and really cold

1321
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:31,280
and um it's about nine o'clock at night

1322
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,440
or so or eight o'clock at night

1323
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:35,200
some somewhere around there

1324
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:38,000
and as we're approaching the shopping

1325
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,200
the strip mall as we're approaching

1326
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,520
approaching the parking lot

1327
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:43,920
we noticed that there was this this

1328
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:46,400
vehicle hovering above

1329
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:49,040
the corner store that this the the store

1330
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:50,799
on the corner and it was

1331
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:51,680
um

1332
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,960
it was only about i would say 20 to 30

1333
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:56,720
feet above the store so it was pretty

1334
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:57,520
low

1335
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:59,119
over the store

1336
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:00,240
and

1337
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:04,319
nobody was outside like gaping at

1338
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:05,520
probably the people in there and the

1339
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,520
cars were but nobody was like standing

1340
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:09,599
around it was so cold and windy

1341
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:10,720
um

1342
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:12,799
and the first thing that we thought was

1343
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,960
this is this is a helicopter that's the

1344
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,160
first thing we thought had very bright

1345
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,720
lights on this is a helicopter and so we

1346
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:20,000
we just sort of are looking at it

1347
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:21,200
thinking that's interesting that the

1348
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,359
national guard which was nearby

1349
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:25,440
um must be running a drill that's what

1350
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:26,480
we thought

1351
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,599
this to each other and the cars were

1352
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:31,200
approaching it looks like maybe like a

1353
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,040
chinook it was about that big like like

1354
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:35,040
a troop carrier or

1355
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:37,040
or a blackhawk it was a big helicopter

1356
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,480
right that's what we thought right so

1357
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:40,160
we're approaching

1358
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:43,040
i drive into the parking lot there's

1359
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,200
nobody in this parking lot it's empty i

1360
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:47,440
drive into this big parking lot

1361
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:50,160
and i just hit the brake and and and

1362
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:52,000
throw the gear in the park

1363
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,839
because now we're close enough to this

1364
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,200
craft to see

1365
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:57,359
this is not a helicopter we and by the

1366
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,880
way we rolled our windows down when we

1367
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,480
thought it was a helicopter

1368
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,480
because we would were were listening for

1369
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:04,319
the telltale sound of the blades

1370
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:05,839
whipping through the air

1371
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:08,160
and so our first clue was there's no

1372
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:09,040
sound

1373
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,680
that's odd

1374
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:13,440
so when i get into the parking lot i'm

1375
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:15,040
just now i'm we got a close view of this

1376
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:18,640
craft i'm now sitting there in park

1377
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:20,480
and we're not we now know this is not a

1378
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:22,640
helicopter now we don't know what it is

1379
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:24,799
because the lights are sort of they're

1380
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:28,000
um covering the the craft itself the

1381
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:29,920
body of the craft we just see the we can

1382
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,599
see the shadow of a craft but there's

1383
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:33,119
bright light so we can't really see what

1384
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:34,640
it is but we know it's not a helicopter

1385
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:35,920
at this point

1386
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:38,640
and this thing it doesn't just

1387
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:41,599
take off or something no instead

1388
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:45,119
it it glides effortlessly from its

1389
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:47,119
position over the store

1390
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:50,559
and it comes right over my car

1391
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:53,839
like directly over my car

1392
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:55,599
and it's it's

1393
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:57,839
it's a little bit it's it's above us and

1394
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:59,359
in front of us so that we can look

1395
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,799
directly out the windshield like

1396
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:02,160
straight up out the windshield and see

1397
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:03,280
it right above us so it's kind of in

1398
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:04,960
front of us a little bit

1399
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:07,280
and it and it begins to descend

1400
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:08,079
so

1401
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:09,760
it comes over the car and now it's

1402
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:11,440
descending

1403
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:12,480
and

1404
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:14,000
keep in mind

1405
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:16,240
the topic of our conversation might me

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01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:17,920
and my brother-in-law right

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01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,480
that very day right right right and so

1408
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:22,160
this craft is now descending over the

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01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:23,040
car

1410
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:25,200
and now we can see it now we see the

1411
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:27,760
fuselage of this craft

1412
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:28,880
and

1413
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,079
it it

1414
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:32,559
it was a delta shaped craft it was a

1415
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:34,480
diamond shaped craft

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01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:35,599
um

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01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:38,240
in that it didn't have sharp edges edges

1418
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:40,960
that had rounded edges so it was a

1419
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,160
it was a

1420
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,160
um sort of a diamond shape but without

1421
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:46,559
the sharp without the pointy ends it was

1422
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:49,119
a rounded diamond shape and it had

1423
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:50,400
didn't have wings it had like little

1424
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:51,599
stubs

1425
01:01:55,589 --> 01:01:52,720
and it had

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01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:55,599
what what appeared to be like body armor

1427
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:57,520
stealth body armor

1428
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,359
and if anybody is familiar with i think

1429
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:01,359
it's the nighthaw i think it's the uh is

1430
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:03,039
it called the nighthawk

1431
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:05,680
uh f117

1432
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:07,119
yes is that correct yes yeah the

1433
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:09,119
nighthawk f-117

1434
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:12,160
stealth fighter so it had the triangle

1435
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:15,680
uh scaly thing going on yes yeah that

1436
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:18,160
angular body armor right right right and

1437
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:19,920
uh and the bomber has the the same kind

1438
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:23,520
of uh body armor and so it had that but

1439
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:25,200
it wasn't just a little bit like the

1440
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:27,839
like the f-117 it was like

1441
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:29,920
much more um

1442
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,319
um how can i describe it it had a lot

1443
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:34,319
more of that angular sort of features to

1444
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:35,119
it

1445
01:02:37,589 --> 01:02:36,319
and

1446
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:37,599
it it had what appeared to be a

1447
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:39,920
windshield but it was black

1448
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:40,720
and

1449
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:44,799
um it it descended about 40 feet

1450
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:46,960
above my car so i mean i could hit this

1451
01:02:50,309 --> 01:02:48,880
thing with rock right right right this

1452
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:50,319
isn't some you know i'm not seeing some

1453
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,400
light in the sky right this sucker is

1454
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,480
sitting right over my car

1455
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:56,880
and we our jaws are dropped we're just

1456
01:03:01,510 --> 01:03:00,000
gaping at this thing we're in shock

1457
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:01,520
we're in shock looking at this thing

1458
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:02,720
because we know

1459
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:04,799
we both instantly know what we're

1460
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:06,319
looking at

1461
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:07,359
um

1462
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:08,480
and

1463
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:10,799
it it had one of the really interesting

1464
01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:12,240
features of this craft is it had

1465
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:15,039
triangle triangular lights very bright

1466
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:17,039
white i remember too my brother-in-law

1467
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:18,559
were calls one i don't remember if it

1468
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:19,839
was two or one but it definitely had at

1469
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:22,720
least one triangle shaped light and and

1470
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:25,440
green and blue smaller lights around the

1471
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:28,799
fuselage but here's the thing

1472
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:31,440
there was no sound

1473
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:32,880
and there was no

1474
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:34,880
propulsion system to speak of there were

1475
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:38,160
no propellers there was no exhaust

1476
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:39,359
nothing

1477
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:43,119
harrier jets take off of you know

1478
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:45,760
um aircraft carriers or even in parking

1479
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,079
lots and and the in the amount of force

1480
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:50,880
just the the noise yeah yeah yeah the

1481
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:52,799
noise

1482
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:55,039
car right yeah that's how much

1483
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:56,400
pollution is necessary to lift the

1484
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:58,240
harrier jets vertically right for to

1485
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,839
take off vertically

1486
01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:01,680
this thing there was nothing and here's

1487
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:03,200
the really bizarre thing

1488
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,200
remember i said it was windy

1489
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:07,280
my car was rocking it was one of those

1490
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:09,760
windy days right my car the gusts of

1491
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:11,039
wind were hitting my car and it was sort

1492
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:13,280
of rocking there in the parking lot

1493
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:16,480
this craft was completely and utterly

1494
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:18,799
unmoved by the wind

1495
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,839
at all it was it was absolutely still

1496
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:23,760
and when it moved it glided

1497
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:26,240
it glided there was like no acceleration

1498
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:28,480
like we're used to it was very very

1499
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:30,079
smooth it glided

1500
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:32,240
and it sat there i would say at least

1501
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:35,119
for a good minute if not for two minutes

1502
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:36,960
that's a long time to stare at something

1503
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:39,200
that's 40 feet above you yeah absolutely

1504
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:41,280
uh timothy i gotta take a break right

1505
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:42,960
here we just blue passed uh the

1506
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:44,160
commercial

1507
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:46,640
by 30 seconds i apologize to the network

1508
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:48,319
this is fade to black

1509
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:49,839
on the game changer network i'm your

1510
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:52,079
host jimmy church our guest tonight

1511
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:54,640
timothy alvarino we're gonna finish this

1512
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:57,200
story when we come back after this short

1513
01:05:03,030 --> 01:04:59,520
break don't worry about that stay with

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:33,840
jimmy church tonight timothy alvarino is

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01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:37,199
with us some call him tim

1617
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,080
three first time guests this week

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01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:42,080
three all

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featured in the new film extraordinary

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revelations and

1622
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:50,800
i i want to

1623
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:53,679
finish up though uh tim if we can

1624
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:58,239
uh what uh this this sighting uh for you

1625
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:01,360
uh was in in cleveland

1626
01:11:06,070 --> 01:11:02,320
how

1627
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:06,080
two minutes

1628
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:07,679
yeah and

1629
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:11,600
so um we're gaping at this thing and um

1630
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:12,960
we've probably been looking at it at

1631
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:14,000
least

1632
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:16,960
you know probably about a minute by now

1633
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,400
and um

1634
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:20,400
i suddenly remembered that

1635
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:22,320
my brother-in-law had a smartphone i

1636
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:24,400
didn't at the time i had a flip phone

1637
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:26,560
and so

1638
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:28,880
it occurred to me that

1639
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:30,320
we should try and take a picture or a

1640
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:31,760
video of this thing

1641
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:34,080
and so his name was tony i said tony

1642
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:36,080
your phone your phone

1643
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:37,600
and he just sort of he's sort of i

1644
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:38,800
remember him shaking his head like he

1645
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:41,280
was waking up out of a dream and he just

1646
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:42,480
sort of

1647
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:43,280
uh

1648
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:45,199
sort of dazed for a second and then he

1649
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,800
starts to frantically reach for his

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01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:48,159
phone

1651
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:51,120
and he pulls it out of his pocket

1652
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:53,199
and as he's going to lift it up he's

1653
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:55,120
trying to fidget and like get to his uh

1654
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:56,880
camera on his phone he says he's lifting

1655
01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:00,159
it up doing this he drops it

1656
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,239
and when he drops it

1657
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:05,040
uh he bends down to pick it up and as he

1658
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:06,800
bends down to pick it up just at that

1659
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:08,960
precise moment the craft go the craft

1660
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:10,800
lifts up

1661
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:12,560
it goes up just

1662
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:14,480
very very smoothly just lifts up into

1663
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:17,120
the air probably another 50 feet

1664
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:19,760
and turns on its axis

1665
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:22,480
and then starts to move away

1666
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:25,600
and we we jumped out of the car

1667
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:27,440
and the first thing that hit us when we

1668
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:29,520
jumped on the car was the wind which was

1669
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:32,159
just howling right so here's this this

1670
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:34,719
uh dichotomy between this cold howling

1671
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:37,679
wind and this craft moving off into the

1672
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:38,960
distance

1673
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:41,760
absolutely unaffected by the wind

1674
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:43,280
which i can't stress enough because

1675
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:45,120
that's impossible right right you know

1676
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:46,800
according to our present uh our

1677
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:48,480
understanding of physics and

1678
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:49,600
and um

1679
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:50,960
it's moving off

1680
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:53,040
and it just sort of it went over the

1681
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:54,719
horizon it wasn't super high up right

1682
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:56,560
now it was still pretty low and it went

1683
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,480
over the horizon and when i say horizon

1684
01:13:03,110 --> 01:13:00,239
i mean the horizon of

1685
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:03,120
the local horizon of houses rooftops in

1686
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:05,679
front of us right right so it went it

1687
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:07,840
was still low and it and that was what

1688
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:09,199
was really strange it didn't shoot up

1689
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:10,480
into the sky

1690
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:11,920
or bulked off

1691
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,800
it just slowly moved away

1692
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:16,800
and and out of our view

1693
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:19,840
and so um

1694
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:21,199
we we

1695
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:23,520
um in processing that experience right

1696
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:25,840
after it happened

1697
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:28,080
standing there by my car processing this

1698
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:30,640
experience we both agreed that

1699
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:32,560
we don't know what it was but it

1700
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:34,880
definitely we both had the

1701
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:36,560
and i don't know why i can't tell you

1702
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,520
why

1703
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:39,840
but we both had the distinct

1704
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:40,719
um

1705
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:42,480
sensation that this

1706
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:45,600
impression that this craft was ours

1707
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,400
right

1708
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:48,080
this was ours

1709
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:50,239
there weren't grays inside of this thing

1710
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:51,840
right there there were there was either

1711
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:54,960
a drone operated craft or

1712
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,560
remote operated craft or there was a

1713
01:14:02,390 --> 01:13:59,280
there was a human pilot inside of it

1714
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:02,400
um it just felt like military hardware

1715
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:03,360
to me

1716
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:05,520
and and i'm not saying it was ours in in

1717
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:07,040
in the sense that

1718
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:08,320
we

1719
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:12,880
this was i was looking at my

1720
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:14,880
brother-in-law brother-in-law and i were

1721
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:17,760
looking at we had witnessed

1722
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:20,800
reverse engineered technology

1723
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,360
we were looking at a hybrid craft

1724
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:25,199
that was using the components that we

1725
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,800
understand from

1726
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:28,400
the crash retrievals because we don't

1727
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:29,920
understand all the components from crash

1728
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:31,679
i doubt that we understand even today

1729
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:34,000
understand all the components that we've

1730
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:36,239
been able to extract extract from crash

1731
01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:38,719
retrievals but i believe what we what we

1732
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:40,840
were looking at was a hybrid

1733
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:43,760
vehicle um that was using conventional

1734
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:45,600
components and alien

1735
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:47,840
technology now there's one thing uh

1736
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:49,760
there's one thing you left out

1737
01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:53,040
uh physics do not apply to the winter

1738
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:55,600
wind in cleveland

1739
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:57,679
that's true yeah yeah lake erie that

1740
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:59,440
wind coming off of lake erie that's true

1741
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:00,719
but you know what's really so this gets

1742
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:03,120
even weirder because remember we're

1743
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:05,600
talking about this very kind of thing

1744
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:07,760
for weeks on end

1745
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:10,159
and then we go over to to brook park to

1746
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:12,480
the strip mall and there it is

1747
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:15,440
seemingly waiting for us

1748
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:18,080
right i had this i had the distinct

1749
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:20,000
sensation that this thing was waiting

1750
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:22,800
for me that i was supposed to see it

1751
01:15:27,750 --> 01:15:25,360
and uh and whether that's true or not

1752
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:27,760
who can who can know but um but what's

1753
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:30,960
really interesting is i scoured through

1754
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:33,600
ufo accounts and and and even talked to

1755
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:35,360
some of the experts like michael schratt

1756
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:36,800
for example i had a conversation with

1757
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:39,360
michael shratt and i s and i was asking

1758
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:40,719
michael because i don't know if you know

1759
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:42,480
michael shrap but he's an aerospace

1760
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:43,600
expert

1761
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:47,280
like seen every kind of craft that

1762
01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:49,040
anybody's ever reported i mean he's he's

1763
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:51,440
um documented it and and he'd never

1764
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:52,880
heard of this

1765
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:55,760
and he and um and and so i i couldn't

1766
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:59,280
find a uh a replicate story a story that

1767
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:01,920
was reminiscent of um what i saw in

1768
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:04,320
terms of the description of the craft

1769
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:06,000
you know there's all kinds of different

1770
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:06,960
uh

1771
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:11,440
crap that people see out there but i

1772
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:13,120
could never find one that that was like

1773
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:15,920
this except until i should say

1774
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:17,520
when i was writing my own when i was

1775
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:19,120
writing my book birthright which i

1776
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:20,880
published last year i'm writing my book

1777
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:22,239
birthright

1778
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:24,640
and i'm writing the chapter in my book

1779
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:28,080
called the alien thr the alien threat

1780
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:29,840
where i specifically deal with the alien

1781
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:32,159
question in this chapter

1782
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:34,400
and for some reason i happen to be

1783
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:35,520
reading

1784
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:40,400
this book just just my my uh uh the the

1785
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:42,400
reading i i was reading something and i

1786
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:44,560
happened to be reading at this point the

1787
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:47,520
hunt hunt for the skinwalker book

1788
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,800
by colm keller and george knapp right

1789
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:52,159
which i hadn't read up until that point

1790
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:53,520
and i just for some reason i was reading

1791
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:55,600
it at that time

1792
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:57,600
and it wasn't even for research on the

1793
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:58,800
chapter or anything i just happened to

1794
01:17:00,950 --> 01:17:00,080
be reading it

1795
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:00,960
and

1796
01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:04,960
read a couple paragraphs here from this

1797
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:07,040
book sure because it's directly relevant

1798
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:09,040
to my story here i came

1799
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:11,440
upon this paragraph this uh little story

1800
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:12,560
in the book

1801
01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:14,239
which uh recounts

1802
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:16,719
uh distrib a description of a craft that

1803
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:19,199
was seen on skinwalker ranch by tom

1804
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:20,960
gorman which is a pseudo pseudonym that

1805
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:22,239
wasn't his real name that the former

1806
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:25,199
owners of skinwalker ranch and it's this

1807
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:26,880
he turned toward the ridge and his jaw

1808
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:28,800
slackened starkly outlined against the

1809
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,800
snow-covered ridge was an aircraft that

1810
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:32,239
seemed to have just appeared out of

1811
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:34,800
nowhere it was about 30 or 40 feet long

1812
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:36,800
and it reminded gorman of a sn

1813
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:40,080
snub-nosed smaller hybrid version

1814
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:42,480
of the f-117

1815
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:45,760
and the b-2 but it was completely silent

1816
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:47,920
there was no wind and the stillness was

1817
01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:49,840
uncanny the outline of the object less

1818
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:51,760
than 100 yards away gave time a good

1819
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:54,000
view of the of its short matte black

1820
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:56,880
wings exactly what i saw matte black

1821
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:58,560
it was definitely like a small version

1822
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:59,600
of the f

1823
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:00,320
f

1824
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:04,880
the odd angle design seemed quite

1825
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:06,320
familiar and that's referencing that

1826
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:07,840
angular body armor that i'm talking

1827
01:18:11,830 --> 01:18:09,840
about right and this is but tom knew

1828
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:11,840
that the f-17 was extremely noisy and

1829
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:14,080
then this is the final paragraph here it

1830
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:16,080
hovered silently less than 100 yards

1831
01:18:19,990 --> 01:18:17,840
away and only 15 or 20 feet off the

1832
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:20,000
ground tom held his breath the object

1833
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:21,679
moved silently away from him without

1834
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:24,080
ever increasing its speed just like with

1835
01:18:26,709 --> 01:18:25,040
me

1836
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:26,719
and then disappeared into the gloomy

1837
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:28,320
night beyond the ridge

1838
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:29,840
tom heaved a sigh of relief and

1839
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:31,679
awkwardly got to his knees in the snow

1840
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:34,000
he looked back several times at the area

1841
01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:35,760
near the ridge where he had seen where

1842
01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:37,360
he had last seen the silent black

1843
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:38,840
phantom

1844
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:40,480
was um

1845
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:42,560
what was this advanced technology he

1846
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:45,199
wondered who owned it and what on earth

1847
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:47,840
was it doing there on a ranch in utah

1848
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:49,679
the same question yeah

1849
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:52,400
and not even just writing this chapter

1850
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:54,239
mind you not even just writing this

1851
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:56,480
chapter on aliens in my book which not

1852
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:57,679
all the chapters deal with aliens in

1853
01:19:01,910 --> 01:18:59,679
fact only this chapter does

1854
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:01,920
not only am i writing this chapter i'm

1855
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:04,400
writing the account of what happened to

1856
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:07,920
me in cleveland when i read this in uh

1857
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,239
in the skinwalker book i was in shock

1858
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:12,000
i'm reading this thinking oh my god that

1859
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:14,400
is that's exactly what i saw he

1860
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:16,480
described it exactly the way that we saw

1861
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:18,880
it so there you have it what i saw in

1862
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:21,040
cleveland ohio

1863
01:19:26,950 --> 01:19:24,159
about eight years ago uh in uh on a cold

1864
01:19:29,189 --> 01:19:26,960
winter night in february uh it was also

1865
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:29,199
seen on skinwalker ranch by the previous

1866
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:31,600
owner in the winter and you were asking

1867
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:33,600
the same questions

1868
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:37,760
as to his is this

1869
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:40,400
military technology revers it has to be

1870
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:42,320
reverse engineered it's not it's not

1871
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:45,840
derived from conventional aircraft

1872
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,199
certainly from our understanding of

1873
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:49,199
physics this is this is this is the

1874
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:52,159
result of reverse engineered um crash

1875
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:54,000
retrieval components reverse engineer

1876
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:57,120
technology now what uh where is your

1877
01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:00,640
mindset uh today with with your research

1878
01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:03,199
and the things that you have been doing

1879
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:04,960
including right this sighting in

1880
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:06,080
cleveland

1881
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:08,320
and the conversation that is going on

1882
01:20:12,229 --> 01:20:09,440
today

1883
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:12,239
not only uh throughout popular culture

1884
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:15,120
uh in in the world but our own

1885
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:16,960
government and the military in the

1886
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:19,120
senate and

1887
01:20:23,310 --> 01:20:22,560
this this uap ufo

1888
01:20:25,270 --> 01:20:23,320
uh

1889
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:25,280
disclosure thing

1890
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:27,440
that is now tangible

1891
01:20:31,750 --> 01:20:29,760
what do you think is ultimately going on

1892
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:31,760
well i'm going to use this word first

1893
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:33,280
alarming

1894
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:34,800
that's the word that's what comes to

1895
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:37,679
mind this is alarming why is it alarming

1896
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:40,800
because this this this weird awkward

1897
01:20:44,470 --> 01:20:42,800
quote-unquote soft disclosure that we're

1898
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:44,480
experiencing right now

1899
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:46,800
is being forced

1900
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:48,719
and that's what's alarming about it it's

1901
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:50,159
not being forced i don't believe it's

1902
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:52,400
being forced by a shadow government or

1903
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:53,360
or

1904
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:57,360
um

1905
01:21:00,629 --> 01:20:58,800
i think that

1906
01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:00,639
the disclosure is being forced by the

1907
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:02,719
phenomenon itself

1908
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:04,880
and what i mean by that is

1909
01:21:12,149 --> 01:21:09,840
the phenomenon is becoming more hostile

1910
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:12,159
and um this is

1911
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:14,400
this is precisely why

1912
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:15,440
um

1913
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:16,560
the

1914
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:24,080
to be

1915
01:21:26,629 --> 01:21:24,880
um

1916
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:26,639
asking how are they framing the

1917
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:28,239
disclosure because how they're framing

1918
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:29,840
this soft disclosure is going to tell us

1919
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:31,840
a lot about what's going on and why

1920
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:33,199
they're doing it

1921
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,800
they're not coming out and just saying

1922
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:36,320
this is just mysterious and we don't

1923
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:37,840
understand it

1924
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:39,600
you know it's a um

1925
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:43,760
unexplained aerial phenomenon uap

1926
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:45,520
they're not they're not just framing it

1927
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:47,760
in those terms the way that it's being

1928
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,199
framed and watch carefully you're going

1929
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:51,360
to see this the way that the nimitz

1930
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:52,800
incident and the other incidents that

1931
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:54,480
came out are being framed

1932
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:58,800
is in the context of a national security

1933
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:00,560
threat

1934
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:03,280
that's the context that's how this is

1935
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:04,719
being framed

1936
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:07,760
and for the people who who can

1937
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:09,199
parse the

1938
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:11,920
the bureaucratic language

1939
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:14,080
that this that this disclosure is being

1940
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:15,920
wrapped in right now

1941
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:19,040
um it's very clear this is this is a

1942
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:21,760
the military is effectively

1943
01:22:25,990 --> 01:22:22,880
um

1944
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:26,000
admitting

1945
01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:28,159
that what we're dealing with here

1946
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:29,360
is

1947
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:31,040
a national security threat and that's

1948
01:22:33,990 --> 01:22:32,400
why it's alarming

1949
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:34,000
because

1950
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:36,320
what's happening is the the sightings

1951
01:22:41,590 --> 01:22:39,040
and the ufo phenomenon as i said is

1952
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:41,600
becoming increasingly hostile what do i

1953
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:42,960
mean

1954
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:45,120
it's beginning to harass our fighter

1955
01:22:49,270 --> 01:22:47,199
jets these craft are not just flying in

1956
01:22:51,590 --> 01:22:49,280
the distance anymore there's harassment

1957
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:51,600
happening now they're purposely hovering

1958
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:54,800
above our our aircraft carriers they're

1959
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:57,040
following our battleships they're making

1960
01:23:01,990 --> 01:22:59,440
their presence known in a way

1961
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:02,000
that they were not before

1962
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:04,159
so that this phenomenon has always been

1963
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:07,600
elusive before we were chasing it

1964
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:09,280
and now all of a sudden something's

1965
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,679
changed and the government admitted this

1966
01:23:14,709 --> 01:23:13,199
if you look in the documentation that

1967
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:14,719
the government is releasing in the the

1968
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:17,120
press release releases and and all of

1969
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:18,560
that you're going to see that they

1970
01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:20,560
identify that something changed in the

1971
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:23,360
year 2014

1972
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:25,199
and what changed is that the phenomenon

1973
01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:27,280
is now becoming more hostile

1974
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:30,080
and that is alarming and so the

1975
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:32,480
disclosure is being forced on them

1976
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:34,480
because they're getting craft now

1977
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:36,320
hovering above their deep underground

1978
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:38,080
military installations purposely now

1979
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:39,600
we've always known that the saucers and

1980
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:40,800
the different craft would hover above

1981
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:43,440
our our missile silos our nuclear

1982
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:45,600
missile styles like up here montana isla

1983
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:47,199
one of the most famous cases and it

1984
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:49,199
deactivated the missile and it caused a

1985
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:52,320
big uproar in the military um but

1986
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:54,159
they're they're becoming even more more

1987
01:23:57,990 --> 01:23:57,199
overt in their activity now basically

1988
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:58,000
saying

1989
01:24:02,629 --> 01:24:00,320
we are here and there's nothing you can

1990
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:02,639
do about it that's the message right now

1991
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:04,719
coming from from whatever this

1992
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:06,320
phenomenon turns out to be that's the

1993
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:08,480
message that's being telegraphed to our

1994
01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:11,199
military and because it's becoming more

1995
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:12,400
um

1996
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:13,600
apparent

1997
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:17,280
because it's becoming more aggressive

1998
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:20,560
it's impossible to keep quiet anymore

1999
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:23,280
the phenomenon is forcing disclosure

2000
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:25,120
it's not in my opinion it's not the

2001
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:28,159
government it's not the it's not the

2002
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:30,480
shadow government the deep state

2003
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:32,880
it is the phenomenon itself that is

2004
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,560
forcing the disclosure and i'm not

2005
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:36,800
saying that these entities are trying to

2006
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:39,679
want our governments to come forth and

2007
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:41,840
and uh and disclose their presence to us

2008
01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:42,960
that's not what i'm saying i'm saying

2009
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:46,480
they're taking a more hostile posture

2010
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:48,960
and that posture is what's forcing the

2011
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:51,280
government's hand because there's too

2012
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:53,199
many airmen there's there's there's too

2013
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:55,520
many guys in the navy there's too many

2014
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:59,199
lay people out there uh pilots and and

2015
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:00,719
other professionals who are having

2016
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:02,960
encounters with these craft now too many

2017
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:04,719
across the board and everybody's got

2018
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:06,719
phones uh everybody's got cameras on

2019
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:08,639
their phones now so

2020
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:11,040
it makes sense that the pentagon would

2021
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:12,800
get in front of this

2022
01:25:17,189 --> 01:25:14,800
in order to control the public's

2023
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:17,199
perception of a phenomenon that is

2024
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:19,520
increasingly becoming more apparent and

2025
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:21,280
and will become completely apparent

2026
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:23,360
inevitably at some time in the future so

2027
01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:26,239
this is narrative control and that

2028
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:28,239
doesn't and that's not to say

2029
01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:29,679
that the narrative that this is a

2030
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:31,600
national security threat is false it's

2031
01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:33,360
not it's not that they're trying to feed

2032
01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:35,360
us misinformation it's that they're

2033
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:36,960
trying to get in front of it so that

2034
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:39,600
they can roll out what they want to roll

2035
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:40,639
out to us

2036
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:42,880
leak what they want to leak and control

2037
01:25:48,149 --> 01:25:44,719
the disclosure

2038
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:48,159
um and try to write and try to control a

2039
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:50,159
narrative that right now appears to be

2040
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:52,480
completely out of their control

2041
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:54,639
exactly exactly

2042
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:55,840
and if there's one thing that the

2043
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:58,159
pentagon doesn't like it's it's it's not

2044
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,600
to have control over

2045
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:01,440
a circumstance that is in the public

2046
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:04,639
view they're obsessed with controlling

2047
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:06,880
our perception of what they're doing and

2048
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:08,560
what's and and and not just our

2049
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:09,840
perception not just the perception of

2050
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:11,520
american people more importantly the

2051
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:13,840
perception of other nations

2052
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:16,320
uh of how they they are handling these

2053
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:18,560
things because the other nations it's

2054
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:20,800
widely known that the other nations look

2055
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:21,679
to

2056
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:25,360
government you know let me say something

2057
01:26:30,149 --> 01:26:27,920
for if the audience doesn't know

2058
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:30,159
the white house doesn't know anything

2059
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:32,320
about the ufo phenomenon

2060
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:34,080
maybe there's in some individuals in

2061
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:36,560
there they don't have the need to know

2062
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:38,080
they're not in the loop there's no

2063
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:40,880
reason that a that the the generals who

2064
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:42,239
are in the known they're probably far

2065
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:43,760
and few between

2066
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:45,520
are not going to brief the president of

2067
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:47,360
the united states not joe biden not

2068
01:26:51,590 --> 01:26:49,040
donald trump not barack obama they're

2069
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:51,600
not going to brief them even if they ask

2070
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:53,360
for a briefing they're not going to tell

2071
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:54,320
them what they know about this

2072
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:56,639
phenomenon why because these presidents

2073
01:27:00,790 --> 01:26:59,360
are transitory they come and go

2074
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:00,800
donald trump was in for four years and

2075
01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:02,639
now we got joe biden so why would they

2076
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:04,960
tell them they don't have the need to

2077
01:27:08,750 --> 01:27:06,719
know right now they don't have the need

2078
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:08,760
to know the information is highly

2079
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:11,040
compartmentalized and probably the vast

2080
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:12,400
majority of the people at the pentagon

2081
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:14,880
have no idea you and i probably know 10

2082
01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:16,080
times more than most of the people

2083
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:17,360
working at the pentagon about this

2084
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:18,400
phenomenon

2085
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:20,000
yeah i think there's individuals in

2086
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:22,000
there who know 10 times more than 100

2087
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:23,040
times more than we do because they've

2088
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:24,800
touched the craft they've seen them test

2089
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:26,719
fly they've seen the test flights and so

2090
01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:29,520
forth right right right and uh i

2091
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:31,440
certainly agree with that you and i

2092
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:33,440
definitely there are people in this

2093
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:36,159
community that know more than you and i

2094
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:38,320
right you know what i mean it's yeah

2095
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:41,520
it's uh it's it's so impressive uh the

2096
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:42,880
knowledge base

2097
01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:45,199
of uh of this community i wanted to ask

2098
01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:47,440
you this really quick before the break

2099
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:48,320
um

2100
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:50,560
do you personally

2101
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:54,629
yes

2102
01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:57,600
this is a clear and present danger not

2103
01:28:02,629 --> 01:27:59,840
just to us in america

2104
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:02,639
but to the international community

2105
01:28:05,189 --> 01:28:03,840
and why do i say it's a clear and

2106
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:05,199
present danger people say what's the

2107
01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:07,040
evidence where's the do we have evidence

2108
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:09,760
that these guys are hostile or friendly

2109
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:11,600
well first of all is to find these guys

2110
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:13,120
i don't know how many factions are there

2111
01:28:15,430 --> 01:28:14,320
are out there i've heard all kinds of

2112
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:15,440
things you know there's all kinds of

2113
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:18,080
mythos floating around but we do know

2114
01:28:23,189 --> 01:28:20,560
without a shadow of a doubt the grays

2115
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:23,199
are real those guys are real and those

2116
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:24,800
guys are responsible for a lot i think

2117
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:27,520
of the sightings and for all

2118
01:28:31,430 --> 01:28:29,760
all of the abductions

2119
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:31,440
and and it is in the abduction

2120
01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:33,920
phenomenon which that film uh primarily

2121
01:28:37,350 --> 01:28:35,040
dealt with

2122
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:37,360
uh it is in the abduction phenomenon

2123
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:41,040
that we can discern the nature

2124
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:44,080
of the entities and of their program and

2125
01:28:47,590 --> 01:28:46,480
we can discern we can just at least

2126
01:28:48,629 --> 01:28:47,600
begin to

2127
01:28:50,229 --> 01:28:48,639
discern

2128
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:50,239
their methods

2129
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:52,000
and maybe start to discern their motives

2130
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:53,679
or i should say we can discern their

2131
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:56,400
methods and maybe begin then to discern

2132
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:57,600
their motives

2133
01:28:59,910 --> 01:28:58,880
and all i can tell you is they're not

2134
01:29:02,390 --> 01:28:59,920
good

2135
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:02,400
the um and there's another part to this

2136
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:04,080
timothy that uh

2137
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:06,480
i've always found fascinating as

2138
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:10,080
frightening as an encounter may be with

2139
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:18,629
most of the abductees

2140
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:20,159
would do it again

2141
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:22,960
right as frightening as their experience

2142
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:24,880
is

2143
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:25,840
they

2144
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:27,920
would be okay

2145
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:30,719
with continued contact and to have it

2146
01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:32,000
happen again

2147
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:33,520
well you're opening a can of worms here

2148
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:35,040
with me yeah

2149
01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:36,320
that we'll have to dive into on the

2150
01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:38,719
other side but um

2151
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:41,679
that that all depends on

2152
01:29:45,669 --> 01:29:43,440
on

2153
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:45,679
okay let's put it this way sure

2154
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:47,520
the abduction

2155
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:50,400
research material

2156
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:53,440
is entirely dependent

2157
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:57,440
on the quality

2158
01:30:03,430 --> 01:30:00,719
of the person conducting the research

2159
01:30:04,870 --> 01:30:03,440
and there are there are a whole lot of

2160
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:04,880
people out there

2161
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:08,239
right now and and and and you know

2162
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:10,480
especially over the last decade who've

2163
01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:12,960
sort of entered this arena

2164
01:30:17,350 --> 01:30:14,800
and are coming to it with already

2165
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:17,360
conclusions drawn or at least particular

2166
01:30:21,030 --> 01:30:18,080
per

2167
01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:21,040
and are

2168
01:30:26,709 --> 01:30:23,600
are creating a a

2169
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:26,719
are creating a zeitgeist

2170
01:30:32,709 --> 01:30:29,840
among quote unquote experiencers

2171
01:30:36,229 --> 01:30:32,719
that i believe is misleading

2172
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:36,239
because i will always revert back to

2173
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:37,440
the

2174
01:30:45,270 --> 01:30:42,719
um

2175
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:45,280
original fathers of abduction

2176
01:30:49,510 --> 01:30:48,000
of abduction research and and and really

2177
01:30:51,510 --> 01:30:49,520
there's there's a handful but there's

2178
01:30:53,189 --> 01:30:51,520
four who i think whose work is

2179
01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:53,199
unimpeachable because they're all

2180
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:55,520
academically trained all of them very

2181
01:31:01,590 --> 01:30:58,159
smart people and it's it's uh bud

2182
01:31:03,750 --> 01:31:01,600
hopkins john mack david jacobs and carla

2183
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:03,760
turner absolutely those for me those

2184
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:05,520
that's like if you're going to go if

2185
01:31:10,870 --> 01:31:08,400
there was in a in a university if there

2186
01:31:13,110 --> 01:31:10,880
was a a doctorate class

2187
01:31:15,030 --> 01:31:13,120
on the abduction phenomenon those are

2188
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:15,040
the four people whose materials you

2189
01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:16,400
would have

2190
01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:20,560
you'd have to study those those four

2191
01:31:25,910 --> 01:31:22,960
people their material their research in

2192
01:31:27,990 --> 01:31:25,920
order to have a to begin to begin to

2193
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:28,000
understand the nature of the phenomenon

2194
01:31:30,950 --> 01:31:29,760
and there's a lot of abduction research

2195
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:30,960
people and people are familiar with

2196
01:31:34,390 --> 01:31:32,080
adoption

2197
01:31:37,030 --> 01:31:34,400
abductions in general who have not done

2198
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:37,040
the homework because it is scientific

2199
01:31:39,669 --> 01:31:38,800
data that you're looking at at that

2200
01:31:42,070 --> 01:31:39,679
point

2201
01:31:44,709 --> 01:31:42,080
not hearsay not speculation you are

2202
01:31:47,189 --> 01:31:44,719
looking at scientific data at that point

2203
01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:47,199
from scientifically inclined individuals

2204
01:31:51,910 --> 01:31:48,400
three of whom

2205
01:31:53,990 --> 01:31:51,920
had doctorates from universities and uh

2206
01:31:56,070 --> 01:31:54,000
and and then bud hopkins who was just

2207
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:56,080
very brilliant guy very very brilliant

2208
01:31:59,990 --> 01:31:58,400
highly educated guy himself let's take

2209
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:00,000
our break right here this is fade to

2210
01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:02,639
black our guest tonight timothy albarino

2211
01:32:07,350 --> 01:32:05,920
we've got a lot to discuss now

2212
01:32:08,629 --> 01:32:07,360
when we come back

2213
01:32:10,950 --> 01:32:08,639
we're going to take a trip around the

2214
01:32:12,870 --> 01:32:10,960
world one of my favorite things let's

2215
01:32:14,629 --> 01:32:12,880
get into some lost history this is fade

2216
01:32:16,470 --> 01:32:14,639
to black i'm your timmy church more

2217
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:16,480
timothy after this short break stay with

2218
01:32:20,770 --> 01:32:31,350
[Music]

2219
01:32:37,590 --> 01:32:34,470
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2220
01:32:39,430 --> 01:32:37,600
you're listening to fade to black

2221
01:32:42,149 --> 01:32:39,440
always on the edge of the hottest

2222
01:32:47,970 --> 01:32:42,159
alternative talk jimmy church with fade

2223
01:32:47,980 --> 01:32:59,430
[Applause]

2224
01:33:04,229 --> 01:33:01,510
do you want to be an official fate or

2225
01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:04,239
not of course you do this is jimmy

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01:33:07,669 --> 01:33:06,480
churchill fade to black just go to our

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jimmy church this is revolution the

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revolution will not be televised the

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revolution is on radio

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight timothy

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albarino joins us three first-time

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guests this week

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timothy wrapping it up great

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conversation

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and this is the thing

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i can't wait

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for the next time you're on the show

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with us timothy i can i can already tell

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it will be a spirited conversation

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no doubt about it now um in in uh we've

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got two segments left

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and and i know that you're up there in

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bozeman we do have a little bit of uh

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reserve time i i say for open lines at

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the end of the show if we're stuck in it

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uh and you want to continue we can go on

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into some overtime so i'll talk you into

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that a little bit later but um

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uh i want to shift gears a little bit

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and and uh get into

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the megalithic lost history part of this

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conversation because i think everything

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is connected

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um and there's another see there's

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01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:07,440
another thing we've got a whole nother

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show of

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uh that we could do you're in bozeman

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you're like in bigfoot capital of the

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world too as well man i can only imagine

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01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:19,360
the opportunities that you have up there

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in montana i have a friend that just

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left montana last week uh he's been up

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01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:26,960
there for a week or so doing some

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squatching so

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we'll circle we'll circle back to that

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there's a big squatch community up here

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01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:36,239
a huge squatch community you know i just

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um i see it's so easy to segue into

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01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:42,320
squatching but um i just spent

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01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:44,400
a bunch of months uh up in northern

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01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:46,480
california i just got back

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and

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that's not the conversation that goes on

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up there

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01:38:59,189 --> 01:38:57,199
every gas station everything has got

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bigfoot t-shirts and bigfoot hats and

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this and that and it's it's it is their

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life and i don't care who you meet

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old young

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01:39:11,189 --> 01:39:08,560
male f it doesn't matter

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01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:11,199
everybody's got a bigfoot's story

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01:39:13,990 --> 01:39:12,639
everybody

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and uh

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ufos uh i remember uh i i was

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01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:21,119
specifically talking to this lady and

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and her daughter

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um about bigfoot and i said well what

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about ufos yeah

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it was really funny

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but they'll talk about bigfoot okay um

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01:39:38,470 --> 01:39:36,960
but megalithic sites um and

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you know whether you can get into

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specifics about you know peru or bolivia

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of course gisa or stonehenge pumapunku

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gobekli tapi

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um and and others there are so many

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sites around the world but

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i look at those and and i look at the

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the cutting and the placement and the

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quarrying

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i immediately have to

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go to

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we're talking about a stone age culture

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quite possibly you know that shouldn't

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have had the tools or the means or the

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engineering

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01:40:15,669 --> 01:40:13,040
uh to do this stuff there must have been

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knowledge acquired from somewhere else

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and and i'm okay with that

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01:40:26,390 --> 01:40:18,560
but

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explore alternative possibilities as to

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01:40:30,709 --> 01:40:28,960
where this knowledge came from and i

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01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:30,719
have issues with that

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01:40:36,790 --> 01:40:34,000
because either your stone age man

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digging in the dirt for seeds to feed

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your family

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or

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01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:41,840
you've got intelligence right

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01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:44,000
that came from somewhere else

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01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:46,719
and and do you have that same vibe when

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01:40:51,669 --> 01:40:48,480
you go to these different ancient sites

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around the world definitely

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i don't think there's

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in my mind

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when you let's let's focus on south

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america for example

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01:41:02,470 --> 01:40:59,920
um

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01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:02,480
the when you go to saksaywaman outside

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01:41:10,149 --> 01:41:06,239
of cusco when you visit ogentai tambo

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01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:10,159
not far away 45 minutes away or so um

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01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:11,840
or 90 minutes away when you go up to

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01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:13,199
machu picchu and you look at the

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01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:15,119
foundations of machu picchu or when you

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01:41:17,740 --> 01:41:16,239
go over to

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pumapunku

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01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:19,360
[Music]

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complex in bolivia

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01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:23,520
um you get the same sense and all those

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01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:25,280
sites because you're you're looking at

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01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:28,960
the same level of um of

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01:41:33,310 --> 01:41:30,880
technological achievement because that's

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01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:33,320
what it is it's nothing less than

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01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:35,679
technological achievement it's not just

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01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:37,119
a bunch of of

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01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:38,560
it's not just brute force you're not

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01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:40,239
just looking at brute force we can all

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01:41:43,669 --> 01:41:41,840
understand brute force

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01:41:44,830 --> 01:41:43,679
if it was just a matter of brute force

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01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:44,840
it would still be

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01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:46,960
impressive but

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01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:49,440
but it's not it's not just big big

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01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:52,159
blocks standing up next to each other

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01:41:55,830 --> 01:41:54,239
it's the precision with which they are

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fitted together

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01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:58,000
it's the technology incorporated into

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01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:00,960
them the anti-seismic technology

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01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:03,280
that these these massive structures were

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01:42:10,070 --> 01:42:05,920
built so precisely they were built on a

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01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:10,080
particular inclination in every case

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01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:13,199
so that they would withstand

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01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:15,360
cataclysm not just not just a little

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01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:17,119
rumbling of the earth massive

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01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:18,480
earthquakes

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and and this is documented in the city

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01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:21,920
of cusco

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01:42:26,830 --> 01:42:24,239
uh after the conquest

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01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:26,840
uh by the spanish in the mid 16th

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01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:28,560
century

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01:42:32,790 --> 01:42:30,560
the spanish built their cathedrals on

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01:42:35,189 --> 01:42:32,800
top of the ruins of the incan

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01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:35,199
of the of the inca palaces for example

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01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:38,320
in the square um in the plaza de armas

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01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:39,679
in cusco

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01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:40,800
and they they built their great

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01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:42,480
cathedrals which are still there today

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01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:44,960
but those cathedrals have been built

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01:42:50,629 --> 01:42:48,080
many times over rebuilt i should say

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01:42:52,870 --> 01:42:50,639
why because every time a big earthquake

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01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:52,880
would rock the city

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01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:55,199
those constructions would crumble to the

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01:43:01,510 --> 01:42:59,669
and so would the inferior inca

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01:43:03,910 --> 01:43:01,520
constructions by the way

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01:43:07,109 --> 01:43:03,920
there it's three you're right about that

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01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:07,119
and to be very clear for this audience

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01:43:12,390 --> 01:43:09,679
uh what timothy is referring to you've

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01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,400
got three distinct stages

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01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:14,880
of of construction there that you can

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01:43:20,790 --> 01:43:18,080
see they're layered on top of each other

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01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:20,800
and the original the inca you know it's

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01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:23,119
kind of funny the inca were trying to be

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01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:24,400
as cool

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01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:26,719
as what was previous

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01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:29,280
but it's not and you can see the

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01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:32,320
differences but the original foundations

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01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:41,590
you know the inca were emulating who

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01:43:46,310 --> 01:43:45,040
they viewed as their divine progenitors

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01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:46,320
and who were the inca they were the

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01:43:51,189 --> 01:43:48,400
children of the sun

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01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:51,199
they were the children of biracocha

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01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:53,760
and they they viewed themselves as the

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01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:56,239
inheritors the rightful inheritors of

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01:44:02,390 --> 01:43:59,679
the works of their progenitors their the

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01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:02,400
gods who were their their fathers

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01:44:06,229 --> 01:44:04,159
and so doesn't it make sense that they

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01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:06,239
would re-inherit that they would inherit

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01:44:09,189 --> 01:44:07,679
and rebuild

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01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:09,199
what they viewed

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01:44:14,550 --> 01:44:12,320
as the habitation of the gods uh

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01:44:16,229 --> 01:44:14,560
machu picchu for example what was the

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01:44:18,070 --> 01:44:16,239
name of machu picchu it wasn't machu

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01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:18,080
picchu that's the name of the mountain

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01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:20,080
the name of machu picchu the quechua

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01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:21,760
name is ijampu

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01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:23,760
what does that mean the habitation or

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01:44:28,229 --> 01:44:26,400
the abode or the repose

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01:44:30,229 --> 01:44:28,239
of the gods

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01:44:31,990 --> 01:44:30,239
and so why would they call it that

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01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:32,000
because of what they found there they

2493
01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:34,800
found the megalithic foundations there

2494
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:37,119
and so what did the inca say

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01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:40,080
the gods must have lived here naturally

2496
01:44:42,629 --> 01:44:41,520
and so what would they do as the

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01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:42,639
children of the gods they're going to

2498
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:44,480
rebuild and re-inhabit

2499
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:47,520
as the inheritors of the works of their

2500
01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:48,400
divine

2501
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:50,719
progenitors and this isn't just the inca

2502
01:44:54,950 --> 01:44:52,800
by the way this is this is universal

2503
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:54,960
egyptians did the same in some cases now

2504
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:56,880
let's not

2505
01:45:02,870 --> 01:44:58,320
uh

2506
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:02,880
um make too light of the accomplishments

2507
01:45:07,510 --> 01:45:04,800
of the inca the inca themselves were an

2508
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:07,520
extraordinary civilization extraordinary

2509
01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:09,360
they were the they were the romans of

2510
01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:11,920
south america they excelled in water

2511
01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:12,960
works

2512
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:14,960
they built amazing aqueducts just like

2513
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:16,800
the romans they built

2514
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:19,280
they they built amazing roads just like

2515
01:45:24,390 --> 01:45:21,360
the romans they were great role builders

2516
01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:24,400
they were masters of agriculture masters

2517
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:26,800
of agriculture the inca were and this is

2518
01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:28,320
a legacy they didn't invent these things

2519
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:30,400
they received this was a legacy of

2520
01:45:34,870 --> 01:45:32,320
knowledge that came down to them

2521
01:45:37,350 --> 01:45:34,880
um and and they were very good stone

2522
01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:37,360
masons there are some cases in which the

2523
01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:39,280
inc and their finest work in my opinion

2524
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:40,480
of course archaeologists have a

2525
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:42,960
different opinion but in my opinion and

2526
01:45:47,350 --> 01:45:45,119
the opinion of many other people such as

2527
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:47,360
uh graham hancock and others

2528
01:45:52,390 --> 01:45:49,760
that the the the inca even in their

2529
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:52,400
finest stone masonry

2530
01:45:57,830 --> 01:45:54,800
it just is on a completely different

2531
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:57,840
scale to the megalithic the megalithic

2532
01:46:02,149 --> 01:46:00,400
cyclopean that preceded them

2533
01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:02,159
and the megalithic cyclopean walls what

2534
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:04,000
i was what i was saying about the the

2535
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:06,239
point about the spanish walls

2536
01:46:10,470 --> 01:46:08,080
crumbling in the earthquake guess what

2537
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:10,480
didn't fall down ever

2538
01:46:13,350 --> 01:46:12,480
was the megalithic foundations of that

2539
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:13,360
city

2540
01:46:17,030 --> 01:46:14,880
never fell

2541
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:17,040
they were dismantled

2542
01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:18,719
the megalithic edifices such as the

2543
01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:21,920
walls of saksaywaman were dismantled

2544
01:46:25,830 --> 01:46:23,760
to build the catholic cathedrals and and

2545
01:46:26,709 --> 01:46:25,840
the inca used probably in the aftermath

2546
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:26,719
of the

2547
01:46:33,189 --> 01:46:31,600
dismantling that stuff to build their

2548
01:46:34,709 --> 01:46:33,199
own homes because obviously during the

2549
01:46:36,629 --> 01:46:34,719
time the kit would have been probably

2550
01:46:38,229 --> 01:46:36,639
pain of death to go and take those

2551
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:38,239
blocks so

2552
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:40,719
that's really i think the true the

2553
01:46:44,390 --> 01:46:42,719
accurate picture just as you said

2554
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:44,400
there's there's distinct

2555
01:46:50,229 --> 01:46:46,880
building styles there's distinct levels

2556
01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:50,239
of achievement and ability that are that

2557
01:46:55,590 --> 01:46:53,199
are that are crystal clear when you walk

2558
01:46:57,270 --> 01:46:55,600
around the city of of of cusco and you

2559
01:47:01,430 --> 01:46:57,280
look at those megalithic foundations you

2560
01:47:02,550 --> 01:47:01,440
have walls where on one side you have um

2561
01:47:05,109 --> 01:47:02,560
uh

2562
01:47:07,189 --> 01:47:05,119
the temple of inca roca for example with

2563
01:47:11,350 --> 01:47:07,199
those magnificent

2564
01:47:13,189 --> 01:47:11,360
megalithic cyclopean walls magnificent

2565
01:47:14,950 --> 01:47:13,199
and then on the other side you have

2566
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:14,960
spanish reconstruction

2567
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:17,600
or you have inca walls

2568
01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:18,800
you have anchor walls and there's a

2569
01:47:32,310 --> 01:47:19,840
there's a

2570
01:47:35,430 --> 01:47:33,669
and it was there it was the center of

2571
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:35,440
the empire it was in cusco it was their

2572
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:37,360
primary this was the center of religious

2573
01:47:40,709 --> 01:47:39,600
and political life in

2574
01:47:43,270 --> 01:47:40,719
in uh

2575
01:47:44,950 --> 01:47:43,280
in cusco in the empire the inca empire

2576
01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:44,960
this is where they had the their dead

2577
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:46,880
kings the mummified dead kings were in

2578
01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:50,000
these chambers inside of the kodi concha

2579
01:47:53,430 --> 01:47:52,000
that they would parade around at certain

2580
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:53,440
times of the year like during the winter

2581
01:47:56,550 --> 01:47:54,800
solstice and so forth they would

2582
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:56,560
literally parade these mummies around as

2583
01:47:59,510 --> 01:47:58,080
if they were still living

2584
01:48:01,109 --> 01:47:59,520
and that's where they were kept kept so

2585
01:48:03,030 --> 01:48:01,119
this is the this is the religious and

2586
01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:03,040
political epicenter of the empire

2587
01:48:07,350 --> 01:48:04,480
andesite walls

2588
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:07,360
um at on a smaller to smaller scale than

2589
01:48:12,709 --> 01:48:09,119
sacred woman but still beautiful

2590
01:48:14,709 --> 01:48:12,719
precisely built uh cyclopean

2591
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:14,719
and but what most people don't know is

2592
01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:15,600
that

2593
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:19,119
in the in the in the 1980s a spanish

2594
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:20,639
explorer and good friend of mine named

2595
01:48:25,669 --> 01:48:23,280
anselm p rambla

2596
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:25,679
did a did an excavation there

2597
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:27,600
and uh and i was there with anselm

2598
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:30,320
several times cody kanchan and he did an

2599
01:48:34,790 --> 01:48:32,880
excavation at the kodi kancha and he

2600
01:48:35,990 --> 01:48:34,800
went down under into the foundation of

2601
01:48:38,310 --> 01:48:36,000
corey kancha and you know what he

2602
01:48:42,149 --> 01:48:38,320
discovered attack discovered

2603
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:42,159
diorite megalithic foundations yes

2604
01:48:45,830 --> 01:48:44,159
megalithic foundation this is in the

2605
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:45,840
center sitting on top wasn't even the

2606
01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:47,600
original original temple that's right

2607
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:50,159
and this is in the center of cusco

2608
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:51,679
yes it's right there

2609
01:48:57,910 --> 01:48:55,199
the epicenter of the inca empire now

2610
01:49:00,229 --> 01:48:57,920
what goes through your mind when you

2611
01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:00,239
look at the walls of cusco and you're

2612
01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:02,800
looking at a stone that is you know 20

2613
01:49:08,470 --> 01:49:06,239
feet tall that is hundreds of tons

2614
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:08,480
and and we know

2615
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:11,760
logistically they can't

2616
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:13,199
those are just

2617
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:15,760
how how is it possible

2618
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:18,560
to move stones that large from the

2619
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:22,239
quarry back to cusco over those hills

2620
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:23,520
well

2621
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:25,440
let's let's first be begin with this

2622
01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:28,480
statement it is not impossible

2623
01:49:31,510 --> 01:49:30,480
for primitive people to move megalithic

2624
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:31,520
stones

2625
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:32,800
how do we know that because they're

2626
01:49:36,629 --> 01:49:34,239
still doing it to this day in certain

2627
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:36,639
parts of indonesia and india

2628
01:49:40,950 --> 01:49:38,320
they still have festivals and parts of

2629
01:49:42,790 --> 01:49:40,960
those countries where they actually move

2630
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:42,800
megaliths and they do it just like the

2631
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:44,639
archaeologists say with a lot of rope

2632
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:46,480
and a lot of guys pulling and sleds

2633
01:49:50,470 --> 01:49:48,960
wooden sleds primarily now

2634
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:50,480
i've never seen i've seen pictures

2635
01:49:54,790 --> 01:49:52,239
they're moving some pretty big stones

2636
01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:54,800
probably in the you know maybe 20 times

2637
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:57,840
or something i've never seen a picture

2638
01:50:01,830 --> 01:50:00,239
of or or a video you can see videos of

2639
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:01,840
this too by the way on youtube i've

2640
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:04,000
never seen a picture or a video of

2641
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:07,360
anybody moving a 200 to 300 ton stone

2642
01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:09,280
that's a whole different category you

2643
01:50:13,030 --> 01:50:10,880
know i mean that's like moving that's

2644
01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:13,040
like moving three houses

2645
01:50:16,470 --> 01:50:14,400
you know that's not like moving just a

2646
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:16,480
big block that's moving like you're

2647
01:50:20,870 --> 01:50:18,960
talking three three passenger airline

2648
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:20,880
jets full of passengers that's that's

2649
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:22,560
what you're talking about right

2650
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:24,639
and um but you know obviously without

2651
01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:25,760
wheels

2652
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:27,360
uh and and they are they're moving them

2653
01:50:31,350 --> 01:50:30,080
from a quarry 20 miles away

2654
01:50:33,109 --> 01:50:31,360
first of all they're cutting them out of

2655
01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:33,119
the quarry that's that's where the real

2656
01:50:36,870 --> 01:50:34,639
mystery begins they're cutting them out

2657
01:50:40,709 --> 01:50:36,880
because it's one thing as i said to move

2658
01:50:43,270 --> 01:50:40,719
to move uh uncut just just to move big

2659
01:50:44,709 --> 01:50:43,280
stones and erect them primitive cultures

2660
01:50:46,629 --> 01:50:44,719
can move big things this is what i this

2661
01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:46,639
is the brute force i'm talking about

2662
01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:49,199
primitive uh uh cultures using brute

2663
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:51,440
force manpower can move big things and

2664
01:50:56,709 --> 01:50:53,920
erect them they can erect big stones

2665
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:56,719
but but when you see big stones being

2666
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:59,520
precisely cut out of hard stone

2667
01:51:03,149 --> 01:51:01,040
out of the sides of

2668
01:51:05,589 --> 01:51:03,159
rock faces of mountains

2669
01:51:07,510 --> 01:51:05,599
precisely cut

2670
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:07,520
quarried and then and then brought on

2671
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:10,880
site shaped and then fit together so

2672
01:51:14,709 --> 01:51:12,960
so perfectly that you couldn't fit a

2673
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:14,719
blade of hair between the between the

2674
01:51:17,990 --> 01:51:15,679
joints

2675
01:51:19,790 --> 01:51:18,000
again you're moving from brute force

2676
01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:19,800
into technology at that point

2677
01:51:26,350 --> 01:51:21,920
technological skill

2678
01:51:29,109 --> 01:51:26,360
and the walls of saksai woman display

2679
01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:29,119
technological skill

2680
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:30,880
again they have this inclination their

2681
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:32,560
ant their anti-seismic they were

2682
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:35,040
constructed ingeniously constructed to

2683
01:51:39,750 --> 01:51:38,000
be anti-seismic let alone by the way the

2684
01:51:42,070 --> 01:51:39,760
different configurations of megalith all

2685
01:51:43,910 --> 01:51:42,080
over the earth that align perfectly with

2686
01:51:45,669 --> 01:51:43,920
the solstices and the equinoxes and

2687
01:51:47,589 --> 01:51:45,679
different constellations and and

2688
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:47,599
celestial phenomena

2689
01:51:53,350 --> 01:51:50,639
um just the the technology to make those

2690
01:51:55,350 --> 01:51:53,360
calculations to survey the land so

2691
01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:55,360
precisely but then to do it on a

2692
01:51:58,550 --> 01:51:56,960
megalithic scale

2693
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:58,560
we are out of the realm of brute force

2694
01:52:03,109 --> 01:52:00,639
we are squarely in the realm of tech

2695
01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:03,119
of advanced technological knowledge

2696
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:05,360
period that's it i mean and and there's

2697
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:06,880
no getting around that and if you talk

2698
01:52:12,470 --> 01:52:08,239
to the

2699
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:12,480
the quechua people

2700
01:52:17,669 --> 01:52:15,840
and the imata people up near puno

2701
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:17,679
if you talk to these people

2702
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:19,199
and you ask them

2703
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:21,040
who do your people believe built the

2704
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:22,880
walls of saksaywaman for example who

2705
01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:25,199
built those walls

2706
01:52:28,870 --> 01:52:27,840
they're never going to tell you the inca

2707
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:28,880
they're not going to tell you they could

2708
01:52:33,350 --> 01:52:30,400
build those walls not the ones who keep

2709
01:52:35,189 --> 01:52:33,360
the traditions of their ancestors

2710
01:52:36,629 --> 01:52:35,199
they're going to tell you

2711
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:36,639
one of two things i've heard over and

2712
01:52:38,870 --> 01:52:37,920
over and over they're going to well they

2713
01:52:40,870 --> 01:52:38,880
might say

2714
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:40,880
generally speaking the ancestors but if

2715
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:42,320
you dig in well whoever this is they may

2716
01:52:46,629 --> 01:52:45,119
say one of two things i've heard a

2717
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:46,639
the gods

2718
01:52:50,229 --> 01:52:47,920
or b

2719
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:50,239
the progeny of the gods

2720
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:53,280
who in many cases were giants

2721
01:52:56,950 --> 01:52:55,840
that's their legends they were giants

2722
01:52:58,950 --> 01:52:56,960
if you ask

2723
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:58,960
the natives who built pumapunku the the

2724
01:53:02,470 --> 01:53:01,440
the answers you unanimous the giants

2725
01:53:04,229 --> 01:53:02,480
built it

2726
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:04,239
giants bill puma now i'm not saying that

2727
01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:07,040
that's the truth it could be i don't

2728
01:53:09,430 --> 01:53:08,080
know i'm just telling you what they

2729
01:53:11,189 --> 01:53:09,440
would tell you they're not going to tell

2730
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:11,199
you the inca bill this no their

2731
01:53:14,629 --> 01:53:12,400
traditions

2732
01:53:16,950 --> 01:53:14,639
and remember their ancestors were the

2733
01:53:18,870 --> 01:53:16,960
contemporaries of the inca

2734
01:53:22,149 --> 01:53:18,880
right so if the inca built it and they

2735
01:53:23,350 --> 01:53:22,159
used these native tribes as slaves to do

2736
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:23,360
it which they would have they would have

2737
01:53:27,910 --> 01:53:26,480
had to have a slave force to do this

2738
01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:27,920
then you would think that that tradition

2739
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:29,119
would have been passed down through the

2740
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:31,199
generations oh yeah our forefathers were

2741
01:53:35,350 --> 01:53:33,280
enslaved by the inca

2742
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:35,360
and they built those walls and they told

2743
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:37,520
us stories about pulling the big stones

2744
01:53:41,589 --> 01:53:39,440
and right that's not what they say

2745
01:53:43,830 --> 01:53:41,599
that's not what they say puma puka for

2746
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:43,840
example tiwanaku they say how was that

2747
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:45,920
built it was built by giants and also it

2748
01:53:52,070 --> 01:53:49,360
was built using the um using the agency

2749
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:52,080
of sound trumpets were blasted and the

2750
01:53:57,189 --> 01:53:55,199
and the stones floated through the air

2751
01:53:59,589 --> 01:53:57,199
so this is what you get from the actual

2752
01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:59,599
native people who still maintain who

2753
01:54:03,750 --> 01:54:01,199
have a very strong connection to their

2754
01:54:05,830 --> 01:54:03,760
past in a way that none of us do anymore

2755
01:54:07,910 --> 01:54:05,840
um not even i i think the native

2756
01:54:10,629 --> 01:54:07,920
americans in our country have as strong

2757
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:10,639
as a of a link to their past as some of

2758
01:54:14,070 --> 01:54:11,840
these people improve because a lot of

2759
01:54:16,070 --> 01:54:14,080
these people quechua people for example

2760
01:54:18,310 --> 01:54:16,080
they don't speak spanish

2761
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:18,320
they only speak quechua

2762
01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:20,960
now um and uh

2763
01:54:26,310 --> 01:54:24,080
cusco and and peru and bolivia as

2764
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:26,320
amazing as it is

2765
01:54:31,830 --> 01:54:27,840
we can

2766
01:54:33,669 --> 01:54:31,840
uh formulate a linear timeline as as to

2767
01:54:36,629 --> 01:54:33,679
dating and going back a thousand years

2768
01:54:37,430 --> 01:54:36,639
or two thousand years pretty incredible

2769
01:54:39,669 --> 01:54:37,440
but

2770
01:54:41,189 --> 01:54:39,679
uh when you go over to pumapunku and you

2771
01:54:41,990 --> 01:54:41,199
go to the

2772
01:54:44,470 --> 01:54:42,000
uh

2773
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:44,480
the celestial alignments there or

2774
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:46,639
pushing the dates back now

2775
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:49,199
fifteen thousand years according to

2776
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:52,239
arthur poznan posnanski yes yes now the

2777
01:54:54,870 --> 01:54:53,920
archaeologists will scoff at you if you

2778
01:54:56,629 --> 01:54:54,880
said that

2779
01:54:58,070 --> 01:54:56,639
you have no idea how much i've fought

2780
01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:58,080
this with

2781
01:55:04,149 --> 01:55:01,360
with people that have letters uh uh in

2782
01:55:07,270 --> 01:55:04,159
front and behind of their names but but

2783
01:55:10,390 --> 01:55:07,280
it is what it is now that's okay and we

2784
01:55:12,310 --> 01:55:10,400
can debate that but when we swing over

2785
01:55:16,149 --> 01:55:12,320
to the giza plateau

2786
01:55:18,709 --> 01:55:16,159
and then and then head north up into uh

2787
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:18,719
syria and and turkey present-day turkey

2788
01:55:25,589 --> 01:55:21,599
than the armenian highlands where we

2789
01:55:28,629 --> 01:55:27,189
you know what i want to swing back to

2790
01:55:31,270 --> 01:55:28,639
that because you brought up a really

2791
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:31,280
good point about tonnage so

2792
01:55:36,790 --> 01:55:33,520
we'll get over the ball back eventually

2793
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:36,800
but you go to um go back lee tepi where

2794
01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:39,920
the dating now is seven thousand eight

2795
01:55:43,510 --> 01:55:42,239
thousand nine thousand years

2796
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:43,520
older

2797
01:55:48,709 --> 01:55:45,520
than giza

2798
01:55:49,750 --> 01:55:48,719
now we are in a whole other situation

2799
01:55:54,390 --> 01:55:49,760
where

2800
01:55:57,030 --> 01:55:54,400
quarrying those stones

2801
01:55:59,350 --> 01:55:57,040
at 12 000 bc

2802
01:56:01,669 --> 01:55:59,360
that is changing history right there

2803
01:56:02,870 --> 01:56:01,679
isn't it we now we have to

2804
01:56:04,149 --> 01:56:02,880
now we have to have a different

2805
01:56:05,990 --> 01:56:04,159
discussion

2806
01:56:07,589 --> 01:56:06,000
definitely and by the way

2807
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:07,599
you know i've never been to gobekli

2808
01:56:11,669 --> 01:56:10,320
tepee um that's on my list here in the

2809
01:56:13,750 --> 01:56:11,679
in the near future

2810
01:56:15,189 --> 01:56:13,760
but but going back to what i'm familiar

2811
01:56:16,790 --> 01:56:15,199
with let me tell you this that that

2812
01:56:19,109 --> 01:56:16,800
aligns precisely with what you're saying

2813
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:19,119
with gobekli tepee

2814
01:56:22,390 --> 01:56:20,880
at saksai woman

2815
01:56:24,550 --> 01:56:22,400
again um

2816
01:56:26,149 --> 01:56:24,560
my colleague anselm p rambla

2817
01:56:28,790 --> 01:56:26,159
did an excavation at the walls of

2818
01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:28,800
saksaywaman did an excavation he went

2819
01:56:31,350 --> 01:56:29,760
down

2820
01:56:33,030 --> 01:56:31,360
um

2821
01:56:35,830 --> 01:56:33,040
and he

2822
01:56:37,030 --> 01:56:35,840
he found at the bottom of his excavation

2823
01:56:39,109 --> 01:56:37,040
he found

2824
01:56:40,550 --> 01:56:39,119
where the walls were still continuing by

2825
01:56:41,589 --> 01:56:40,560
the way you can still see the walls the

2826
01:56:42,950 --> 01:56:41,599
blocks

2827
01:56:46,390 --> 01:56:42,960
piled up

2828
01:56:48,629 --> 01:56:46,400
he found pre-inca and only pre-inca

2829
01:56:51,350 --> 01:56:48,639
artifacts

2830
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:51,360
so there goes the inca narrative

2831
01:56:55,830 --> 01:56:52,880
i mean that's it that there goes the

2832
01:56:58,550 --> 01:56:55,840
inca narrative you can't have a bunch of

2833
01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:58,560
artifacts uh that were from cultures

2834
01:57:02,870 --> 01:57:00,719
that are were around only before the

2835
01:57:04,070 --> 01:57:02,880
inca and then they are gone

2836
01:57:06,709 --> 01:57:04,080
being at the bottom of these

2837
01:57:08,629 --> 01:57:06,719
constructions and then call it inca it

2838
01:57:11,669 --> 01:57:08,639
just doesn't work anymore

2839
01:57:13,830 --> 01:57:11,679
so it's it's it's uh it's like graham

2840
01:57:15,270 --> 01:57:13,840
hancock often says everything just keeps

2841
01:57:17,510 --> 01:57:15,280
getting older

2842
01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:17,520
and it's true it's true archaeologists

2843
01:57:21,109 --> 01:57:18,800
are continuing historians are

2844
01:57:22,709 --> 01:57:21,119
continually having to revise

2845
01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:22,719
and revisit

2846
01:57:27,750 --> 01:57:25,760
uh their their their paradigms

2847
01:57:29,270 --> 01:57:27,760
and uh enlarge and remodel their

2848
01:57:30,629 --> 01:57:29,280
paradigms which they don't like to do

2849
01:57:33,030 --> 01:57:30,639
and we all know why they don't like to

2850
01:57:34,709 --> 01:57:33,040
do it because these people this is what

2851
01:57:36,229 --> 01:57:34,719
they build their lives on and if you

2852
01:57:37,990 --> 01:57:36,239
spend your life being an archaeologist

2853
01:57:40,070 --> 01:57:38,000
out in the field with one particular

2854
01:57:41,990 --> 01:57:40,080
paradigm you spent your whole life on it

2855
01:57:43,270 --> 01:57:42,000
you're not going to change it

2856
01:57:44,870 --> 01:57:43,280
you built your whole career your

2857
01:57:46,550 --> 01:57:44,880
reputation everything's built on this

2858
01:57:47,669 --> 01:57:46,560
particular view

2859
01:57:49,189 --> 01:57:47,679
you're not going to change it and why

2860
01:57:51,430 --> 01:57:49,199
should you why should you rock the boat

2861
01:57:53,189 --> 01:57:51,440
you got to you got your your tenor you

2862
01:57:54,629 --> 01:57:53,199
know your tenured professor at a

2863
01:57:56,070 --> 01:57:54,639
university and you've got your

2864
01:57:57,350 --> 01:57:56,080
comfortable paycheck and you're going to

2865
01:57:59,189 --> 01:57:57,360
get your

2866
01:58:00,229 --> 01:57:59,199
your retirement why would you rock the

2867
01:58:01,430 --> 01:58:00,239
boat

2868
01:58:03,669 --> 01:58:01,440
you know and you're just going to get

2869
01:58:05,750 --> 01:58:03,679
the disdain of your colleagues rather

2870
01:58:07,589 --> 01:58:05,760
than the praise

2871
01:58:09,109 --> 01:58:07,599
are very few people who are would be

2872
01:58:11,669 --> 01:58:09,119
willing even in the face of the kind of

2873
01:58:14,149 --> 01:58:11,679
evidence i just mentioned um to to rock

2874
01:58:16,870 --> 01:58:14,159
that boat and and go beckley tepe is

2875
01:58:17,990 --> 01:58:16,880
forcing forcing the rethinking of that

2876
01:58:20,229 --> 01:58:18,000
timeline though because it's

2877
01:58:22,070 --> 01:58:20,239
unquestionable go beckley tappy it was

2878
01:58:25,030 --> 01:58:22,080
because and the reason why gobekli tepe

2879
01:58:28,149 --> 01:58:25,040
is such a an amazing archaeological find

2880
01:58:30,550 --> 01:58:28,159
is because it was deliberately buried

2881
01:58:31,430 --> 01:58:30,560
it was deliberately buried whoever built

2882
01:58:38,629 --> 01:58:31,440
it

2883
01:58:41,189 --> 01:58:38,639
you're right i think so too and if we go

2884
01:58:44,870 --> 01:58:41,199
back uh to your point

2885
01:58:46,870 --> 01:58:44,880
um uh robert shock um john anthony west

2886
01:58:48,950 --> 01:58:46,880
have both been on the show many times i

2887
01:58:53,030 --> 01:58:48,960
just had robert on last month

2888
01:58:54,550 --> 01:58:53,040
um but if you go back to uh 1992 uh in

2889
01:58:57,030 --> 01:58:54,560
san diego

2890
01:58:59,270 --> 01:58:57,040
uh with the national convention of

2891
01:59:00,149 --> 01:58:59,280
geologists that they do every year so

2892
01:59:01,830 --> 01:59:00,159
they're down there and they're

2893
01:59:03,669 --> 01:59:01,840
presenting their evidence of the sphinx

2894
01:59:05,109 --> 01:59:03,679
and of course the famous press

2895
01:59:07,750 --> 01:59:05,119
conference and the arguments that

2896
01:59:09,030 --> 01:59:07,760
started where they were saying academia

2897
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:09,040
was saying look

2898
01:59:15,990 --> 01:59:12,000
give us evidence of any archaeological

2899
01:59:17,750 --> 01:59:16,000
site that predates gisa at 3000 bc we'll

2900
01:59:21,589 --> 01:59:17,760
have a conversation but right now that

2901
01:59:25,030 --> 01:59:21,599
doesn't exist um therefore you are wrong

2902
01:59:26,229 --> 01:59:25,040
well three years later gobekli tepi gets

2903
01:59:28,790 --> 01:59:26,239
discovered

2904
01:59:30,390 --> 01:59:28,800
and you would have thought that now

2905
01:59:33,109 --> 01:59:30,400
that's seven thousand years right

2906
01:59:35,350 --> 01:59:33,119
timothy seven thousand here not not

2907
01:59:37,990 --> 01:59:35,360
seven hundred years yeah seven thousand

2908
01:59:40,950 --> 01:59:38,000
years pre-dating gisa the conversation

2909
01:59:44,070 --> 01:59:40,960
still hasn't changed right and and you

2910
01:59:45,109 --> 01:59:44,080
would think that that was the one point

2911
01:59:46,470 --> 01:59:45,119
where

2912
01:59:48,790 --> 01:59:46,480
okay

2913
01:59:51,270 --> 01:59:48,800
there's a possibility with the sphinx

2914
01:59:53,830 --> 01:59:51,280
there were technical uh

2915
01:59:57,270 --> 01:59:53,840
technically advanced civilizations uh

2916
01:59:59,350 --> 01:59:57,280
predating gisa that had this knowledge

2917
02:00:00,390 --> 01:59:59,360
it still wasn't enough to tip the scales

2918
02:00:03,350 --> 02:00:00,400
and now

2919
02:00:05,830 --> 02:00:03,360
they're calling it 12 tepi they found 11

2920
02:00:07,350 --> 02:00:05,840
additional sites yeah yeah it's an

2921
02:00:09,830 --> 02:00:07,360
immense site yeah

2922
02:00:12,790 --> 02:00:09,840
it it and it really is forcing their

2923
02:00:13,990 --> 02:00:12,800
hand to to revisit their paradigms and

2924
02:00:16,550 --> 02:00:14,000
and

2925
02:00:19,270 --> 02:00:16,560
thank goodness for that if if there's if

2926
02:00:20,709 --> 02:00:19,280
if if gobekli tepe exists which it does

2927
02:00:23,510 --> 02:00:20,719
of course

2928
02:00:25,910 --> 02:00:23,520
think about how many other gobekli tepes

2929
02:00:27,669 --> 02:00:25,920
are around the world not just in you

2930
02:00:30,229 --> 02:00:27,679
know modern day turkey

2931
02:00:32,229 --> 02:00:30,239
but there is stuff under the dirt under

2932
02:00:34,709 --> 02:00:32,239
the sand in the ocean yeah under the

2933
02:00:35,910 --> 02:00:34,719
ocean around this planet that will

2934
02:00:38,790 --> 02:00:35,920
suggest

2935
02:00:41,030 --> 02:00:38,800
that uh things didn't start in ancient

2936
02:00:43,510 --> 02:00:41,040
sumer at 3000 bc

2937
02:00:45,669 --> 02:00:43,520
no because because a lot of this stuff i

2938
02:00:48,070 --> 02:00:45,679
believe and i and i concur with a lot of

2939
02:00:49,910 --> 02:00:48,080
my colleagues out there i believe that

2940
02:00:50,709 --> 02:00:49,920
what we're looking at is

2941
02:00:52,790 --> 02:00:50,719
is

2942
02:00:54,709 --> 02:00:52,800
a civilization that built a lot of these

2943
02:00:56,229 --> 02:00:54,719
megalithic monuments and then was

2944
02:00:58,709 --> 02:00:56,239
eviscerated

2945
02:01:00,550 --> 02:00:58,719
in a global cataclysm

2946
02:01:03,430 --> 02:01:00,560
probably a few times the end of the ice

2947
02:01:04,229 --> 02:01:03,440
age yeah well that was the last one

2948
02:01:05,109 --> 02:01:04,239
right

2949
02:01:06,629 --> 02:01:05,119
we're

2950
02:01:09,830 --> 02:01:06,639
the the planet is four and a half

2951
02:01:11,830 --> 02:01:09,840
billion years old and how many times

2952
02:01:14,790 --> 02:01:11,840
did we go through this cycle

2953
02:01:16,149 --> 02:01:14,800
of of rebuilding you know and i think

2954
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on the game changer radio network and

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[Music]

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welcome back paid to black i am your

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02:06:23,750 --> 02:06:22,000
host jimmy church tonight our guest

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02:06:27,270 --> 02:06:23,760
first time here

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02:06:28,830 --> 02:06:27,280
not the last for sure timothy alvarino

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02:06:32,069 --> 02:06:28,840
and

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uh this is the thing

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02:06:37,990 --> 02:06:34,639
when we go around the world uh timothy

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02:06:41,669 --> 02:06:38,000
and we look at these ancient sites and

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02:06:45,030 --> 02:06:41,679
and the possibility of of knowledge

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02:06:47,030 --> 02:06:45,040
and then we go to

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02:06:49,030 --> 02:06:47,040
the text

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02:06:51,189 --> 02:06:49,040
and it could be

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02:06:52,550 --> 02:06:51,199
religious it could be the old testament

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02:06:56,790 --> 02:06:52,560
it could be

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from china

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uh

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02:07:01,589 --> 02:07:00,320
it seems that every culture

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02:07:03,270 --> 02:07:01,599
um

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02:07:07,030 --> 02:07:03,280
expressed

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02:07:07,910 --> 02:07:07,040
knowledge from the stars angels gods

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uh

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02:07:14,069 --> 02:07:11,119
and this being handed down when we

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02:07:15,750 --> 02:07:14,079
review that and study it as we do every

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02:07:19,270 --> 02:07:15,760
single day

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02:07:20,550 --> 02:07:19,280
are we are they trying to tell us

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02:07:22,149 --> 02:07:20,560
something that we are starting to

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02:07:25,669 --> 02:07:22,159
understand now

3082
02:07:27,109 --> 02:07:25,679
that this may be extraterrestrial

3083
02:07:29,589 --> 02:07:27,119
well let's be a little bit more specific

3084
02:07:32,629 --> 02:07:29,599
about it the the every major ancient

3085
02:07:35,189 --> 02:07:32,639
culture around the world

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02:07:38,069 --> 02:07:35,199
has some kind of

3087
02:07:41,350 --> 02:07:38,079
mythology related to what is generally

3088
02:07:42,229 --> 02:07:41,360
understood as the golden age

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the

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first time

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02:07:52,830 --> 02:07:49,360
and it was in this golden age

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02:07:55,750 --> 02:07:52,840
that the gods dwelt among

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02:07:58,950 --> 02:07:55,760
men and not only did they share their

3094
02:08:00,790 --> 02:07:58,960
knowledge with them they copulated with

3095
02:08:02,709 --> 02:08:00,800
their women they they had sexual

3096
02:08:04,790 --> 02:08:02,719
intercourse with their women

3097
02:08:06,870 --> 02:08:04,800
and they procreated

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hybrid offspring

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02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:09,440
and this is this is a again this is a

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02:08:13,669 --> 02:08:12,560
narrative of almost every major ancient

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02:08:15,750 --> 02:08:13,679
culture

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02:08:16,790 --> 02:08:15,760
civilization on earth

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02:08:19,510 --> 02:08:16,800
and

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02:08:21,430 --> 02:08:19,520
so um it's not just that they believed

3105
02:08:23,030 --> 02:08:21,440
in you know beings from other places

3106
02:08:25,510 --> 02:08:23,040
coming to earth it's much more intimate

3107
02:08:29,189 --> 02:08:25,520
than that these beings came in and

3108
02:08:31,430 --> 02:08:29,199
and procreated with our females

3109
02:08:33,189 --> 02:08:31,440
and their offspring were the great men

3110
02:08:35,589 --> 02:08:33,199
of old the bible calls them the the

3111
02:08:37,669 --> 02:08:35,599
giborim the men of renown

3112
02:08:39,669 --> 02:08:37,679
and they're known as the great heroes in

3113
02:08:42,069 --> 02:08:39,679
all the mythology the titans and so

3114
02:08:43,270 --> 02:08:42,079
forth and they were the hybrid offspring

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02:08:45,510 --> 02:08:43,280
of the gods

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02:08:48,310 --> 02:08:45,520
and of course the most

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02:08:49,830 --> 02:08:48,320
the most um

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02:08:52,229 --> 02:08:49,840
the most

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02:08:53,589 --> 02:08:52,239
mythology related to this is is the

3120
02:08:55,430 --> 02:08:53,599
greek mythology the greco-roman

3121
02:08:56,870 --> 02:08:55,440
mythology in which you have

3122
02:08:58,470 --> 02:08:56,880
you know all kinds of different

3123
02:09:01,030 --> 02:08:58,480
creatures that were the offspring of the

3124
02:09:03,589 --> 02:09:01,040
gods the cyclopes and

3125
02:09:05,990 --> 02:09:03,599
and and the giants and the different

3126
02:09:08,229 --> 02:09:06,000
beings hercules for example

3127
02:09:09,270 --> 02:09:08,239
the these these these mighty men of

3128
02:09:11,750 --> 02:09:09,280
renown

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02:09:13,990 --> 02:09:11,760
from the old world and what was the old

3130
02:09:16,310 --> 02:09:14,000
world to the ancients again almost

3131
02:09:18,470 --> 02:09:16,320
uniformly across the globe

3132
02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:18,480
what was the old world we think of the

3133
02:09:22,950 --> 02:09:21,040
old world when we say the old world

3134
02:09:25,030 --> 02:09:22,960
we think of you know

3135
02:09:26,870 --> 02:09:25,040
of uh victorian england or something

3136
02:09:28,709 --> 02:09:26,880
like that no the old world to the

3137
02:09:30,470 --> 02:09:28,719
ancients was the time

3138
02:09:32,790 --> 02:09:30,480
was the world before

3139
02:09:35,910 --> 02:09:32,800
the cataclysm

3140
02:09:37,750 --> 02:09:35,920
and that cataclysm takes different forms

3141
02:09:39,589 --> 02:09:37,760
um different cultures

3142
02:09:42,629 --> 02:09:39,599
focus on different

3143
02:09:44,709 --> 02:09:42,639
uh different cataclysmic forces

3144
02:09:46,950 --> 02:09:44,719
some talk about fire raining down from

3145
02:09:49,030 --> 02:09:46,960
heaven some talk about uh

3146
02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:49,040
earthquakes

3147
02:09:53,589 --> 02:09:51,440
the majority talk about flood a great

3148
02:09:55,430 --> 02:09:53,599
flood many of them say a flood that

3149
02:09:57,270 --> 02:09:55,440
covered all the world

3150
02:10:00,709 --> 02:09:57,280
um you know you were referencing the

3151
02:10:01,910 --> 02:10:00,719
sumerians who certainly say that um and

3152
02:10:03,910 --> 02:10:01,920
the reason why i think that the

3153
02:10:05,189 --> 02:10:03,920
cataclysm and i think there's a specific

3154
02:10:06,470 --> 02:10:05,199
cataclysm they're remembering even

3155
02:10:07,830 --> 02:10:06,480
though you're i think you're right in

3156
02:10:09,350 --> 02:10:07,840
saying that there's probably been lots

3157
02:10:11,430 --> 02:10:09,360
of catalysts but there's a specific

3158
02:10:12,950 --> 02:10:11,440
cataclysm that's being referenced here

3159
02:10:15,750 --> 02:10:12,960
the last one

3160
02:10:17,669 --> 02:10:15,760
the last big one that wiped out the

3161
02:10:19,430 --> 02:10:17,679
civilization that was previously

3162
02:10:21,030 --> 02:10:19,440
inhabiting the earth as a

3163
02:10:22,550 --> 02:10:21,040
technologically advanced civil

3164
02:10:23,830 --> 02:10:22,560
civilization now when i say

3165
02:10:26,310 --> 02:10:23,840
technologically advanced i don't

3166
02:10:29,430 --> 02:10:26,320
necessarily mean a civilization that had

3167
02:10:31,830 --> 02:10:29,440
the same kind of superfluous technology

3168
02:10:34,470 --> 02:10:31,840
that we have like iphones and video

3169
02:10:37,189 --> 02:10:34,480
games and you know cars

3170
02:10:39,669 --> 02:10:37,199
um i don't expect to find skyscrapers

3171
02:10:41,510 --> 02:10:39,679
and and lamborghinis and laptops in the

3172
02:10:43,109 --> 02:10:41,520
in the in the in the ante anti-deluvian

3173
02:10:44,629 --> 02:10:43,119
world but certainly

3174
02:10:48,709 --> 02:10:44,639
a very

3175
02:10:51,109 --> 02:10:48,719
uh profound understanding of astronomy

3176
02:10:52,470 --> 02:10:51,119
certainly a profound understanding of

3177
02:10:53,589 --> 02:10:52,480
geology

3178
02:10:56,870 --> 02:10:53,599
profound

3179
02:10:59,350 --> 02:10:56,880
ability to navigate yes and to and to

3180
02:11:00,950 --> 02:10:59,360
survey and to make maps

3181
02:11:03,350 --> 02:11:00,960
and to build

3182
02:11:06,550 --> 02:11:03,360
megalithic structures that could

3183
02:11:09,109 --> 02:11:06,560
withstand earthquakes and you know the

3184
02:11:11,589 --> 02:11:09,119
the the variety

3185
02:11:12,870 --> 02:11:11,599
of the natural forces involved in the

3186
02:11:16,310 --> 02:11:12,880
cataclysm

3187
02:11:19,589 --> 02:11:16,320
make sense because let's say for example

3188
02:11:21,350 --> 02:11:19,599
that a comet struck the earth

3189
02:11:23,669 --> 02:11:21,360
at the end of the ice age last ice age

3190
02:11:25,830 --> 02:11:23,679
some 12 000 years ago

3191
02:11:27,510 --> 02:11:25,840
well that impact would have if

3192
02:11:29,990 --> 02:11:27,520
especially if it hit the uh the ice

3193
02:11:33,750 --> 02:11:30,000
sheets in either the the northern or

3194
02:11:36,149 --> 02:11:33,760
southern um pole would have caused

3195
02:11:38,310 --> 02:11:36,159
all the things that everybody reports

3196
02:11:40,790 --> 02:11:38,320
earthquakes volcanic explosions it would

3197
02:11:42,950 --> 02:11:40,800
have caused uh it would have caused wire

3198
02:11:44,629 --> 02:11:42,960
superheating of the atmosphere rapid

3199
02:11:47,669 --> 02:11:44,639
melting of the ice it would have caused

3200
02:11:49,910 --> 02:11:47,679
a global flood for sure a flood flooding

3201
02:11:51,189 --> 02:11:49,920
on a global scale for sure

3202
02:11:53,109 --> 02:11:51,199
i mean it would have caused all the

3203
02:11:55,910 --> 02:11:53,119
things the black rain that some of the

3204
02:11:58,310 --> 02:11:55,920
native tribes talk about the black soot

3205
02:12:00,629 --> 02:11:58,320
rain fell from heaven the sky was

3206
02:12:01,990 --> 02:12:00,639
blackened out for a period of time

3207
02:12:03,510 --> 02:12:02,000
well that it would have caused all those

3208
02:12:05,350 --> 02:12:03,520
things so it's not that one of those

3209
02:12:06,709 --> 02:12:05,360
accounts is right and others are wrong

3210
02:12:08,790 --> 02:12:06,719
it's more like they're all right

3211
02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:08,800
collectively

3212
02:12:12,870 --> 02:12:10,960
i remember uh

3213
02:12:14,550 --> 02:12:12,880
one of my teachers just like seventh

3214
02:12:15,750 --> 02:12:14,560
eighth grade you know talking about

3215
02:12:18,310 --> 02:12:15,760
history

3216
02:12:20,390 --> 02:12:18,320
and he said this to me timothy and i

3217
02:12:21,910 --> 02:12:20,400
never forgot it he said where we are

3218
02:12:23,669 --> 02:12:21,920
sitting right now this is in

3219
02:12:26,149 --> 02:12:23,679
indianapolis

3220
02:12:30,470 --> 02:12:26,159
uh 12 000 years ago

3221
02:12:32,149 --> 02:12:30,480
above us was two feet i'm at two miles

3222
02:12:35,350 --> 02:12:32,159
of ice

3223
02:12:37,830 --> 02:12:35,360
two miles right and you so as a kid you

3224
02:12:39,910 --> 02:12:37,840
kind of look up and you're thinking what

3225
02:12:41,990 --> 02:12:39,920
what that means right here's what it

3226
02:12:43,830 --> 02:12:42,000
means what happened when that ice melted

3227
02:12:47,510 --> 02:12:43,840
floods flood

3228
02:12:50,950 --> 02:12:47,520
a lot of it cataclysmic floods

3229
02:12:52,870 --> 02:12:50,960
water moving at miles per hour that we

3230
02:12:54,870 --> 02:12:52,880
don't have a concept of

3231
02:12:56,950 --> 02:12:54,880
yeah and hundreds of feet high tidal

3232
02:12:58,950 --> 02:12:56,960
waves hundreds of feet sweeping across

3233
02:13:01,189 --> 02:12:58,960
the land i mean

3234
02:13:03,430 --> 02:13:01,199
there's the flood myth it's not a myth

3235
02:13:06,069 --> 02:13:03,440
it's not a myth these these ancient

3236
02:13:07,910 --> 02:13:06,079
societies are recording a factual event

3237
02:13:11,270 --> 02:13:07,920
it was the last great cataclysm that

3238
02:13:13,109 --> 02:13:11,280
rocked the earth and changed everything

3239
02:13:15,189 --> 02:13:13,119
and that's why we have you know that's

3240
02:13:17,030 --> 02:13:15,199
why we think that civilization began you

3241
02:13:19,990 --> 02:13:17,040
know with the ancient sumerians or with

3242
02:13:23,189 --> 02:13:20,000
the ancient egyptians no no that that's

3243
02:13:25,030 --> 02:13:23,199
not even what they say it re-began it

3244
02:13:26,790 --> 02:13:25,040
was a re-beginning it wasn't the

3245
02:13:28,310 --> 02:13:26,800
beginning it was the re-beginning that's

3246
02:13:29,109 --> 02:13:28,320
why they suddenly show up on the scene

3247
02:13:32,470 --> 02:13:29,119
with

3248
02:13:33,669 --> 02:13:32,480
where'd it come from there's a legacy

3249
02:13:35,910 --> 02:13:33,679
behind them

3250
02:13:39,430 --> 02:13:35,920
and that legacy goes back into

3251
02:13:41,830 --> 02:13:39,440
a an anti-deluvian civilization

3252
02:13:44,950 --> 02:13:41,840
that existed before the flood that was

3253
02:13:46,709 --> 02:13:44,960
annihilated wiped out now people can you

3254
02:13:49,030 --> 02:13:46,719
know argue about how sophisticated that

3255
02:13:52,790 --> 02:13:49,040
civilization was but we like i said we

3256
02:13:55,510 --> 02:13:52,800
at least we can we can definitely infer

3257
02:13:57,750 --> 02:13:55,520
uh a certain level of sophistication my

3258
02:14:00,310 --> 02:13:57,760
god in order in order to be in order to

3259
02:14:03,109 --> 02:14:00,320
understand and and and make those

3260
02:14:04,629 --> 02:14:03,119
astronomical configurations not just in

3261
02:14:07,350 --> 02:14:04,639
the megaliths but in the mountains in

3262
02:14:09,669 --> 02:14:07,360
america and serpents uh serpent mount in

3263
02:14:12,870 --> 02:14:09,679
ohio for example configurations that

3264
02:14:15,430 --> 02:14:12,880
precisely line up with the solstices and

3265
02:14:18,390 --> 02:14:15,440
equinoxes and so forth

3266
02:14:19,350 --> 02:14:18,400
you what what that involves is

3267
02:14:25,430 --> 02:14:19,360
math

3268
02:14:27,109 --> 02:14:25,440
and it involves it involves what we

3269
02:14:28,470 --> 02:14:27,119
would call science

3270
02:14:31,350 --> 02:14:28,480
and many different many fields of

3271
02:14:33,109 --> 02:14:31,360
science at least a few astronomy math

3272
02:14:34,870 --> 02:14:33,119
you know the surveying whatever science

3273
02:14:37,270 --> 02:14:34,880
that would fall under geology a

3274
02:14:40,950 --> 02:14:37,280
geography i should say at least those

3275
02:14:42,550 --> 02:14:40,960
three right geography math um

3276
02:14:44,229 --> 02:14:42,560
and uh and i forget the other one i said

3277
02:14:46,069 --> 02:14:44,239
but those are the sciences that are

3278
02:14:47,589 --> 02:14:46,079
involved there those are the sciences

3279
02:14:50,390 --> 02:14:47,599
astronomy those are the sciences that

3280
02:14:52,069 --> 02:14:50,400
are clearly involved so we have to at

3281
02:14:55,030 --> 02:14:52,079
least admit i mean i think it's it's

3282
02:14:57,430 --> 02:14:55,040
it's it's painfully obvious that we're

3283
02:15:00,950 --> 02:14:57,440
dealing with an advanced civilization at

3284
02:15:01,910 --> 02:15:00,960
least in those three fields i i often

3285
02:15:03,910 --> 02:15:01,920
wonder

3286
02:15:05,990 --> 02:15:03,920
um and we're going to circle back to

3287
02:15:07,589 --> 02:15:06,000
this but often wonders i'm building a

3288
02:15:10,470 --> 02:15:07,599
new house right

3289
02:15:13,669 --> 02:15:10,480
and i go to the construction company and

3290
02:15:14,709 --> 02:15:13,679
i go okay i want this foundation

3291
02:15:18,870 --> 02:15:14,719
to be

3292
02:15:20,950 --> 02:15:18,880
precisely within a tenth of a degree

3293
02:15:23,030 --> 02:15:20,960
to true north

3294
02:15:25,830 --> 02:15:23,040
they would look at me like i'd lost my

3295
02:15:28,709 --> 02:15:25,840
mind exactly right first they'd say what

3296
02:15:33,910 --> 02:15:31,109
and it and you know now we're talking

3297
02:15:35,350 --> 02:15:33,920
about lasers and things and and what

3298
02:15:37,510 --> 02:15:35,360
they would have to do with modern

3299
02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:37,520
technology to get this done and to pull

3300
02:15:41,189 --> 02:15:38,400
it off

3301
02:15:43,589 --> 02:15:41,199
could they do it to a tenth of a degree

3302
02:15:46,149 --> 02:15:43,599
well you go back and you think about the

3303
02:15:49,109 --> 02:15:46,159
foundations and the size of of the

3304
02:15:50,870 --> 02:15:49,119
pyramids of the pyramid complex on on

3305
02:15:54,470 --> 02:15:50,880
the giza plateau

3306
02:15:56,709 --> 02:15:54,480
and what that truly involved i think a

3307
02:15:59,030 --> 02:15:56,719
construction company today whatever it

3308
02:16:01,589 --> 02:15:59,040
may be maybe it's a skyscraper let's

3309
02:16:03,350 --> 02:16:01,599
this foundation needs to go true north

3310
02:16:05,910 --> 02:16:03,360
what they would have to undergo to do it

3311
02:16:07,990 --> 02:16:05,920
with our knowledge today let's back this

3312
02:16:10,149 --> 02:16:08,000
thing up five thousand years if it was

3313
02:16:12,310 --> 02:16:10,159
five thousand years ago back it up five

3314
02:16:13,189 --> 02:16:12,320
thousand years what was involved they

3315
02:16:15,430 --> 02:16:13,199
knew

3316
02:16:16,390 --> 02:16:15,440
how to get it done and they did it on a

3317
02:16:18,870 --> 02:16:16,400
scale

3318
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:18,880
that hasn't been replicated uh for the

3319
02:16:22,790 --> 02:16:21,040
last five thousand years yeah and why

3320
02:16:23,910 --> 02:16:22,800
build with megaliths

3321
02:16:24,950 --> 02:16:23,920
why

3322
02:16:26,149 --> 02:16:24,960
i mean

3323
02:16:28,790 --> 02:16:26,159
if if

3324
02:16:31,030 --> 02:16:28,800
if you have you been to women in in

3325
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:31,040
cusco no but i've been to other

3326
02:16:35,270 --> 02:16:33,679
megalithic sites in central america when

3327
02:16:36,629 --> 02:16:35,280
you stand in front of megalithic

3328
02:16:38,469 --> 02:16:36,639
instructions

3329
02:16:39,669 --> 02:16:38,479
you just stand there and you ask me what

3330
02:16:41,110 --> 02:16:39,679
was the first thing that went through my

3331
02:16:42,150 --> 02:16:41,120
mind i remember i just recalled that

3332
02:16:43,030 --> 02:16:42,160
question you asked me i don't think i

3333
02:16:44,230 --> 02:16:43,040
answered

3334
02:16:45,589 --> 02:16:44,240
here's the first thing that goes through

3335
02:16:46,950 --> 02:16:45,599
my mind when i stand in front of these

3336
02:16:48,230 --> 02:16:46,960
megaliths

3337
02:16:53,270 --> 02:16:48,240
why

3338
02:16:56,629 --> 02:16:53,280
all the effort

3339
02:16:57,990 --> 02:16:56,639
the the build on this scale

3340
02:17:00,309 --> 02:16:58,000
why

3341
02:17:03,349 --> 02:17:00,319
it's not a defensive structure they

3342
02:17:05,549 --> 02:17:03,359
weren't they weren't fighting either

3343
02:17:07,910 --> 02:17:05,559
right it's it's not that it's not a

3344
02:17:08,870 --> 02:17:07,920
foreign conflict with their neighbors

3345
02:17:11,270 --> 02:17:08,880
certainly

3346
02:17:14,549 --> 02:17:11,280
uh but we know the weapons that the inca

3347
02:17:16,549 --> 02:17:14,559
used they used mesas stone copper

3348
02:17:19,509 --> 02:17:16,559
maces um

3349
02:17:21,110 --> 02:17:19,519
and uh bronze mesas and we know what

3350
02:17:22,469 --> 02:17:21,120
their enemies used the enemies their

3351
02:17:24,309 --> 02:17:22,479
enemies weren't even as advanced as they

3352
02:17:27,030 --> 02:17:24,319
were they were using just you know the

3353
02:17:28,709 --> 02:17:27,040
spears and the and this sometimes arrows

3354
02:17:30,469 --> 02:17:28,719
and bows and arrows and

3355
02:17:34,070 --> 02:17:30,479
and the the implements that you would

3356
02:17:36,150 --> 02:17:34,080
expect right and so if you haven't if

3357
02:17:37,750 --> 02:17:36,160
you had last time i was at saksaywaman

3358
02:17:39,270 --> 02:17:37,760
um i actually filmed some stuff there

3359
02:17:41,509 --> 02:17:39,280
and i was talking about this

3360
02:17:43,750 --> 02:17:41,519
if you have a an enemy you're the inca

3361
02:17:45,589 --> 02:17:43,760
right you're the inca engineers and and

3362
02:17:47,990 --> 02:17:45,599
you're building these walls and you're

3363
02:17:50,309 --> 02:17:48,000
going through this tremendous effort to

3364
02:17:51,110 --> 02:17:50,319
build these walls that's taking up you

3365
02:17:52,629 --> 02:17:51,120
know

3366
02:17:54,309 --> 02:17:52,639
tens and tens of thousands of your

3367
02:17:56,230 --> 02:17:54,319
workforce that could be doing other

3368
02:17:59,190 --> 02:17:56,240
things right all of your research and

3369
02:18:01,030 --> 02:17:59,200
here they are building these walls and

3370
02:18:02,870 --> 02:18:01,040
um and according to the archaeologists

3371
02:18:04,389 --> 02:18:02,880
it took them you know decades and

3372
02:18:05,990 --> 02:18:04,399
decades to build so it's not like you're

3373
02:18:08,230 --> 02:18:06,000
building them for an immediate threat

3374
02:18:09,429 --> 02:18:08,240
anyway right and so you're building up

3375
02:18:11,990 --> 02:18:09,439
these walls

3376
02:18:13,509 --> 02:18:12,000
these massive megalithic walls that are

3377
02:18:15,110 --> 02:18:13,519
only half the size of what they used to

3378
02:18:17,509 --> 02:18:15,120
be by the way so even today they're

3379
02:18:20,389 --> 02:18:17,519
they're 15 feet you know 20 feet tall

3380
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:20,399
they're like 30 40 feet tall when they

3381
02:18:25,349 --> 02:18:22,399
were originally constructed

3382
02:18:30,549 --> 02:18:25,359
solid stone the foundations are uh up to

3383
02:18:32,870 --> 02:18:30,559
up to 260 to 300 tons some of the stones

3384
02:18:35,110 --> 02:18:32,880
and so i'm picturing the ink are

3385
02:18:37,030 --> 02:18:35,120
fortified within these walls

3386
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:37,040
what kind of enemy are they expecting to

3387
02:18:40,950 --> 02:18:38,399
assault these walls

3388
02:18:43,509 --> 02:18:40,960
i mean my god are they expecting giants

3389
02:18:44,870 --> 02:18:43,519
to assault these walls dragons

3390
02:18:46,870 --> 02:18:44,880
you know what are they thinking about

3391
02:18:49,190 --> 02:18:46,880
here uh what are they thinking about

3392
02:18:51,030 --> 02:18:49,200
because i'm picturing a natives and

3393
02:18:52,150 --> 02:18:51,040
remember the armies were not that big in

3394
02:18:54,150 --> 02:18:52,160
those times you know you're talking

3395
02:18:58,389 --> 02:18:54,160
about maybe a few thousand natives

3396
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:58,399
rushing those walls with what stones

3397
02:19:01,750 --> 02:18:59,920
spears

3398
02:19:04,629 --> 02:19:01,760
what are they they didn't even have

3399
02:19:07,910 --> 02:19:04,639
trebuchets they didn't have trebuchets

3400
02:19:10,230 --> 02:19:07,920
what so it's complete overkill

3401
02:19:11,509 --> 02:19:10,240
you don't have to do it for a defensive

3402
02:19:13,110 --> 02:19:11,519
structure

3403
02:19:14,870 --> 02:19:13,120
no and here's the here's the here's the

3404
02:19:16,790 --> 02:19:14,880
reality here's the pragmatic problem

3405
02:19:19,509 --> 02:19:16,800
that archaeologists have

3406
02:19:21,509 --> 02:19:19,519
nobody would do that

3407
02:19:24,389 --> 02:19:21,519
nobody would do it you have limited

3408
02:19:26,629 --> 02:19:24,399
resources you have limited time

3409
02:19:27,910 --> 02:19:26,639
you are not going to do that if you

3410
02:19:29,429 --> 02:19:27,920
don't have to

3411
02:19:31,349 --> 02:19:29,439
or or if there isn't a higher purpose

3412
02:19:33,110 --> 02:19:31,359
for it or you don't have to if your

3413
02:19:36,150 --> 02:19:33,120
enemies are other native tribes so it

3414
02:19:38,629 --> 02:19:36,160
must have been easy

3415
02:19:40,629 --> 02:19:38,639
it must have been relatively

3416
02:19:42,150 --> 02:19:40,639
easy easy

3417
02:19:43,750 --> 02:19:42,160
it must have been relatively easy for

3418
02:19:44,870 --> 02:19:43,760
the people who built it that that's the

3419
02:19:46,870 --> 02:19:44,880
only way to

3420
02:19:48,389 --> 02:19:46,880
and you know it's like occam's razor

3421
02:19:50,550 --> 02:19:48,399
right here let's just get to the

3422
02:19:53,750 --> 02:19:50,560
simplest idea

3423
02:19:56,870 --> 02:19:53,760
it was just easy this wasn't difficult

3424
02:19:59,510 --> 02:19:56,880
i can't imagine uh back to your point if

3425
02:20:02,309 --> 02:19:59,520
you're the leader of this village right

3426
02:20:04,469 --> 02:20:02,319
you're the leader okay check this out

3427
02:20:07,830 --> 02:20:04,479
every man woman and child for the next

3428
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:07,840
50 years is gonna build a 50-foot wall

3429
02:20:13,750 --> 02:20:11,840
no other jobs right that's it exactly

3430
02:20:16,550 --> 02:20:13,760
so how are you going to convince

3431
02:20:18,309 --> 02:20:16,560
everybody that this is no no

3432
02:20:21,750 --> 02:20:18,319
it was easy

3433
02:20:23,830 --> 02:20:21,760
yeah and let me say that i don't um i'm

3434
02:20:26,710 --> 02:20:23,840
convinced that the megaliths in peru and

3435
02:20:28,469 --> 02:20:26,720
bolivia the big ones are

3436
02:20:30,230 --> 02:20:28,479
exceedingly ancient twelve thousand

3437
02:20:32,150 --> 02:20:30,240
years ten to twelve thousand years old

3438
02:20:33,830 --> 02:20:32,160
ancient um

3439
02:20:36,469 --> 02:20:33,840
years ago

3440
02:20:37,990 --> 02:20:36,479
now i have never been to egypt i haven't

3441
02:20:39,349 --> 02:20:38,000
gone to egypt yet

3442
02:20:41,429 --> 02:20:39,359
i don't know

3443
02:20:42,950 --> 02:20:41,439
how old the pyramids are now there's a

3444
02:20:44,309 --> 02:20:42,960
lot of there's different thoughts some

3445
02:20:46,070 --> 02:20:44,319
people think they're very old they're in

3446
02:20:48,790 --> 02:20:46,080
that time frame as well

3447
02:20:50,950 --> 02:20:48,800
based on the work of of uh

3448
02:20:53,349 --> 02:20:50,960
of shock and his colleagues i do believe

3449
02:20:54,870 --> 02:20:53,359
that the sphinx is is as old as they say

3450
02:20:55,990 --> 02:20:54,880
based on the weathering and based on its

3451
02:20:56,830 --> 02:20:56,000
alignment

3452
02:21:01,429 --> 02:20:56,840
um

3453
02:21:03,270 --> 02:21:01,439
i think that that that the sphinx is is

3454
02:21:05,190 --> 02:21:03,280
ten to twelve thousand years old just

3455
02:21:08,070 --> 02:21:05,200
like the walls that suck saiwaman just

3456
02:21:10,950 --> 02:21:08,080
like pumapunku now the the the

3457
02:21:13,270 --> 02:21:10,960
pyramid itself i don't know

3458
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:13,280
um i don't know it's still a it's still

3459
02:21:17,830 --> 02:21:16,000
a a massive undertaking but there's one

3460
02:21:19,670 --> 02:21:17,840
thing that we have to remember if there

3461
02:21:20,870 --> 02:21:19,680
was one thing that was much more

3462
02:21:24,150 --> 02:21:20,880
compelling

3463
02:21:25,270 --> 02:21:24,160
to the ancients than armies than enemies

3464
02:21:26,870 --> 02:21:25,280
because they could they can build

3465
02:21:29,030 --> 02:21:26,880
simpler fortifications right to stop

3466
02:21:31,030 --> 02:21:29,040
enemies what would there's one driving

3467
02:21:33,190 --> 02:21:31,040
factor that could be involved here in

3468
02:21:34,550 --> 02:21:33,200
some of this let's say that let's say

3469
02:21:36,309 --> 02:21:34,560
that the the

3470
02:21:37,910 --> 02:21:36,319
great pyramid was built in the time

3471
02:21:40,870 --> 02:21:37,920
frame that they said it was what was it

3472
02:21:42,630 --> 02:21:40,880
2000 something bc 2500 or whatever it is

3473
02:21:45,349 --> 02:21:42,640
in there you know in the third century

3474
02:21:46,870 --> 02:21:45,359
bc so if it was built what would be the

3475
02:21:49,510 --> 02:21:46,880
factor the driving factor it's not

3476
02:21:51,910 --> 02:21:49,520
armies it's not armies it's not a

3477
02:21:53,270 --> 02:21:51,920
defensive mechanism i think the only

3478
02:21:55,429 --> 02:21:53,280
factor that would make sense is

3479
02:21:56,309 --> 02:21:55,439
something to do with the death ritual

3480
02:21:59,990 --> 02:21:56,319
because

3481
02:22:01,910 --> 02:22:00,000
death was the perennial preoccupation of

3482
02:22:03,510 --> 02:22:01,920
our ancestors and especially the

3483
02:22:05,030 --> 02:22:03,520
pharaohs who believed that they were

3484
02:22:07,190 --> 02:22:05,040
going to go and join the gods so

3485
02:22:09,270 --> 02:22:07,200
building a big machine

3486
02:22:12,230 --> 02:22:09,280
in their minds a spiritual machine that

3487
02:22:14,469 --> 02:22:12,240
would convey them to the netherworld

3488
02:22:15,910 --> 02:22:14,479
um and that and you know and and and

3489
02:22:17,510 --> 02:22:15,920
their progeny

3490
02:22:20,070 --> 02:22:17,520
henceforth that that might be a

3491
02:22:21,190 --> 02:22:20,080
motivating thing i could see that

3492
02:22:25,110 --> 02:22:21,200
but

3493
02:22:27,190 --> 02:22:25,120
i can see it it's certainly in play

3494
02:22:29,910 --> 02:22:27,200
but i don't think there's any question

3495
02:22:32,070 --> 02:22:29,920
again based on the good work done on the

3496
02:22:34,070 --> 02:22:32,080
sphinx the weathering the geological

3497
02:22:35,429 --> 02:22:34,080
evidence that the sphinx is 10 to 12

3498
02:22:37,030 --> 02:22:35,439
thousand years old so then what does

3499
02:22:39,830 --> 02:22:37,040
that mean so let's say that that's true

3500
02:22:41,590 --> 02:22:39,840
the sphinx is 10 to 12 000 years old

3501
02:22:43,510 --> 02:22:41,600
and let's say the great pyramid let's

3502
02:22:45,190 --> 02:22:43,520
give it to the archaeologists the great

3503
02:22:47,590 --> 02:22:45,200
pyramid was built in the third century

3504
02:22:50,230 --> 02:22:47,600
bc what does that mean because the great

3505
02:22:51,830 --> 02:22:50,240
pyramid is a monumental achievement

3506
02:22:53,590 --> 02:22:51,840
monumental achievement that would be

3507
02:22:56,469 --> 02:22:53,600
very difficult to reproduce today

3508
02:22:58,070 --> 02:22:56,479
representing high technology that means

3509
02:23:00,070 --> 02:22:58,080
then that

3510
02:23:01,590 --> 02:23:00,080
that there was a legacy of information

3511
02:23:04,510 --> 02:23:01,600
that there's that there's information

3512
02:23:07,830 --> 02:23:04,520
that that was passed down that was is

3513
02:23:09,910 --> 02:23:07,840
derived not invented by them but that

3514
02:23:12,550 --> 02:23:09,920
was inherited by them that came from

3515
02:23:14,630 --> 02:23:12,560
somebody else and this is where we get

3516
02:23:15,590 --> 02:23:14,640
into the realm of a lost civilization

3517
02:23:18,950 --> 02:23:15,600
from

3518
02:23:21,270 --> 02:23:18,960
anti-living age before the cataclysm

3519
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:21,280
everything is taught

3520
02:23:29,190 --> 02:23:26,960
very rare moments

3521
02:23:31,590 --> 02:23:29,200
where somebody just wakes up and goes

3522
02:23:33,190 --> 02:23:31,600
okay this is how we're gonna quarry

3523
02:23:36,150 --> 02:23:33,200
stone

3524
02:23:37,910 --> 02:23:36,160
it doesn't happen that way and uh to

3525
02:23:40,309 --> 02:23:37,920
another point getting off of the

3526
02:23:41,670 --> 02:23:40,319
megalithic side of things

3527
02:23:43,910 --> 02:23:41,680
but if we

3528
02:23:46,790 --> 02:23:43,920
really look at uh

3529
02:23:50,150 --> 02:23:46,800
the changes of this planet it happened

3530
02:23:54,870 --> 02:23:50,160
with the domestication of wheat

3531
02:23:58,309 --> 02:23:54,880
and if we look at that seminal moment

3532
02:24:01,830 --> 02:23:58,319
in in civilization

3533
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:01,840
that is the point where we went from one

3534
02:24:07,910 --> 02:24:04,160
stage to the next

3535
02:24:10,550 --> 02:24:07,920
but during that period

3536
02:24:14,550 --> 02:24:10,560
allegedly we are talking about hardcore

3537
02:24:16,150 --> 02:24:14,560
stone aged man this is before everything

3538
02:24:18,710 --> 02:24:16,160
yeah so

3539
02:24:21,190 --> 02:24:18,720
how how did that happen

3540
02:24:22,469 --> 02:24:21,200
where well first of all here's here's my

3541
02:24:25,190 --> 02:24:22,479
mentality

3542
02:24:26,550 --> 02:24:25,200
i don't disregard archaeologists and be

3543
02:24:29,030 --> 02:24:26,560
people who spend their lives in these

3544
02:24:31,110 --> 02:24:29,040
fields you know they these are in most

3545
02:24:34,309 --> 02:24:31,120
cases very smart very intelligent people

3546
02:24:35,830 --> 02:24:34,319
now they are hamstrung to an ideology

3547
02:24:38,070 --> 02:24:35,840
right out of the gates and they can't

3548
02:24:39,670 --> 02:24:38,080
they can't uh gain say that that

3549
02:24:40,870 --> 02:24:39,680
narrative or they won't have their jobs

3550
02:24:42,550 --> 02:24:40,880
they simply won't be hired to do the

3551
02:24:43,830 --> 02:24:42,560
things they do okay we all know that

3552
02:24:46,550 --> 02:24:43,840
okay

3553
02:24:47,990 --> 02:24:46,560
but i i have a lot of confidence in what

3554
02:24:51,190 --> 02:24:48,000
archaeologists

3555
02:24:54,389 --> 02:24:51,200
can say about civilization going back

3556
02:24:56,550 --> 02:24:54,399
6 000 years let's say i think we know a

3557
02:24:58,389 --> 02:24:56,560
good deal about civilizations going six

3558
02:25:00,630 --> 02:24:58,399
thousand going back about back about six

3559
02:25:02,950 --> 02:25:00,640
thousand but i think beyond that point i

3560
02:25:05,110 --> 02:25:02,960
think we're clueless honestly i think

3561
02:25:07,429 --> 02:25:05,120
we're clueless so when we talk about you

3562
02:25:09,030 --> 02:25:07,439
know when our agricultural began or when

3563
02:25:11,590 --> 02:25:09,040
this began or when writing began and

3564
02:25:12,950 --> 02:25:11,600
when this happened and that happened and

3565
02:25:15,190 --> 02:25:12,960
and um

3566
02:25:16,469 --> 02:25:15,200
i i just feel like we are just groping

3567
02:25:21,030 --> 02:25:16,479
in the dark

3568
02:25:23,830 --> 02:25:21,040
can't you can't that can't be the public

3569
02:25:26,469 --> 02:25:23,840
perception of history so it's the

3570
02:25:28,230 --> 02:25:26,479
archaeologist and the historian's job to

3571
02:25:29,270 --> 02:25:28,240
form that darkness

3572
02:25:30,710 --> 02:25:29,280
to to

3573
02:25:33,349 --> 02:25:30,720
to um

3574
02:25:35,830 --> 02:25:33,359
uh to form the chaos that

3575
02:25:38,710 --> 02:25:35,840
to to make it discernible and and to

3576
02:25:40,389 --> 02:25:38,720
give it definition so that it's it's so

3577
02:25:41,910 --> 02:25:40,399
that so that they can give the

3578
02:25:43,429 --> 02:25:41,920
appearance that we know we know what's

3579
02:25:45,270 --> 02:25:43,439
going on we know what happened because

3580
02:25:47,190 --> 02:25:45,280
we fear the unknown

3581
02:25:49,590 --> 02:25:47,200
it's scary to us when we don't

3582
02:25:51,910 --> 02:25:49,600
understand something in the past we

3583
02:25:55,110 --> 02:25:51,920
can't explain things it's mysterious and

3584
02:25:57,510 --> 02:25:55,120
it causes trepidation and confusion and

3585
02:25:58,710 --> 02:25:57,520
so we have this instinct to want to tidy

3586
02:26:00,550 --> 02:25:58,720
everything up and make this nice

3587
02:26:02,309 --> 02:26:00,560
timeline and said this be this is when

3588
02:26:04,469 --> 02:26:02,319
writing began this is when

3589
02:26:07,030 --> 02:26:04,479
our agriculture began but i think

3590
02:26:08,230 --> 02:26:07,040
honestly we are groping at best groping

3591
02:26:10,150 --> 02:26:08,240
in the dark

3592
02:26:11,349 --> 02:26:10,160
when we get beyond five six thousand

3593
02:26:13,190 --> 02:26:11,359
years ago

3594
02:26:15,110 --> 02:26:13,200
i really do and now there's some dispute

3595
02:26:16,630 --> 02:26:15,120
of radiocarbon dating i think it's

3596
02:26:18,230 --> 02:26:16,640
accurate up to six thousand years and i

3597
02:26:19,990 --> 02:26:18,240
think then it becomes to become much

3598
02:26:22,230 --> 02:26:20,000
less reliable after that and that's a

3599
02:26:23,910 --> 02:26:22,240
whole other discussion but

3600
02:26:26,309 --> 02:26:23,920
and so i think that we're standing on

3601
02:26:28,790 --> 02:26:26,319
we're building houses on sand

3602
02:26:31,190 --> 02:26:28,800
especially archaeologists and historians

3603
02:26:33,030 --> 02:26:31,200
who deny the cataclysm

3604
02:26:34,309 --> 02:26:33,040
outright deny it because it's a doctrine

3605
02:26:36,950 --> 02:26:34,319
it's the geologic doctrine of

3606
02:26:39,030 --> 02:26:36,960
uniformitarianism that denies that

3607
02:26:40,309 --> 02:26:39,040
cataclysmic events have radically

3608
02:26:42,389 --> 02:26:40,319
changed the earth

3609
02:26:43,910 --> 02:26:42,399
that and so it's built on a re almost a

3610
02:26:45,670 --> 02:26:43,920
religious doctrine and they can they

3611
02:26:48,630 --> 02:26:45,680
can't go against their religion it's a

3612
02:26:50,550 --> 02:26:48,640
religion it's this scientism rather than

3613
02:26:52,550 --> 02:26:50,560
just scientific inquiry and when you

3614
02:26:54,790 --> 02:26:52,560
can't if you can't accept the cataclysm

3615
02:26:57,270 --> 02:26:54,800
that all the ancients tell us about how

3616
02:26:59,270 --> 02:26:57,280
are you going to get the deep past right

3617
02:27:01,429 --> 02:26:59,280
how are you going to get that right

3618
02:27:04,230 --> 02:27:01,439
you can't it's impossible

3619
02:27:06,790 --> 02:27:04,240
and uh and there's another part to this

3620
02:27:09,270 --> 02:27:06,800
too as well and you're absolutely right

3621
02:27:11,510 --> 02:27:09,280
the work of archaeologists and

3622
02:27:13,910 --> 02:27:11,520
anthropologists and that dive into deep

3623
02:27:16,070 --> 02:27:13,920
history i respect it it's it's an

3624
02:27:17,270 --> 02:27:16,080
amazing thing i i wish i had that

3625
02:27:18,070 --> 02:27:17,280
discipline

3626
02:27:20,230 --> 02:27:18,080
but

3627
02:27:22,469 --> 02:27:20,240
what they are in denial about

3628
02:27:23,750 --> 02:27:22,479
what they will uh

3629
02:27:26,309 --> 02:27:23,760
where they go back to well you're not

3630
02:27:29,110 --> 02:27:26,319
giving enough credit to stone age man

3631
02:27:33,030 --> 02:27:29,120
you know it just happened well no

3632
02:27:35,110 --> 02:27:33,040
because if you are out uh you're being

3633
02:27:37,750 --> 02:27:35,120
chased down by

3634
02:27:40,309 --> 02:27:37,760
lions and tigers and bears and and think

3635
02:27:43,990 --> 02:27:40,319
you're gonna die you need to

3636
02:27:46,309 --> 02:27:44,000
uh constantly think about survival so

3637
02:27:47,030 --> 02:27:46,319
surviving the night getting to the next

3638
02:27:48,950 --> 02:27:47,040
day

3639
02:27:50,150 --> 02:27:48,960
there wasn't somebody out the guy that

3640
02:27:53,510 --> 02:27:50,160
is out there thinking about

3641
02:27:55,190 --> 02:27:53,520
domesticating wheat or astrology and

3642
02:27:56,950 --> 02:27:55,200
astronomy and looking to the stars of

3643
02:27:58,870 --> 02:27:56,960
mathematics

3644
02:28:00,790 --> 02:27:58,880
they're going to die he's poking at a

3645
02:28:03,270 --> 02:28:00,800
saber-toothed tiber with a spear right

3646
02:28:05,590 --> 02:28:03,280
right that's exactly right he's not he's

3647
02:28:07,990 --> 02:28:05,600
not like doing some scholarly

3648
02:28:09,750 --> 02:28:08,000
you know investigation or work he's out

3649
02:28:10,870 --> 02:28:09,760
there he's out there trying to capture

3650
02:28:13,429 --> 02:28:10,880
dinner

3651
02:28:17,110 --> 02:28:13,439
that's the way that it had to be

3652
02:28:19,270 --> 02:28:17,120
so that knowledge of quarrying or

3653
02:28:20,710 --> 02:28:19,280
mathematics uh

3654
02:28:23,190 --> 02:28:20,720
geometry

3655
02:28:26,070 --> 02:28:23,200
language writing this is something that

3656
02:28:27,349 --> 02:28:26,080
had to have been passed down it didn't

3657
02:28:29,670 --> 02:28:27,359
just happen

3658
02:28:32,070 --> 02:28:29,680
at 3 100 bc

3659
02:28:34,790 --> 02:28:32,080
and then at 3000 bc

3660
02:28:36,710 --> 02:28:34,800
everything just was magical no way and

3661
02:28:37,990 --> 02:28:36,720
it had to be passed down further more

3662
02:28:40,070 --> 02:28:38,000
from

3663
02:28:44,150 --> 02:28:40,080
a civilization

3664
02:28:45,910 --> 02:28:44,160
scholars and astronomers

3665
02:28:48,870 --> 02:28:45,920
a civilization that could accommodate

3666
02:28:51,190 --> 02:28:48,880
mathematicians and professors and

3667
02:28:53,590 --> 02:28:51,200
doctors and so forth and

3668
02:28:55,429 --> 02:28:53,600
it's it's just only civilization can

3669
02:28:57,349 --> 02:28:55,439
accommodate those professions otherwise

3670
02:28:59,030 --> 02:28:57,359
everybody else is out trying to get

3671
02:29:01,750 --> 02:28:59,040
dinner now

3672
02:29:03,510 --> 02:29:01,760
and what do we do um now we do have to

3673
02:29:05,830 --> 02:29:03,520
stay into overtime because i have a

3674
02:29:06,830 --> 02:29:05,840
whole nother subject that we have to

3675
02:29:09,750 --> 02:29:06,840
cover

3676
02:29:12,309 --> 02:29:09,760
but what do we do with this though

3677
02:29:14,710 --> 02:29:12,319
because now we're dealing with the two

3678
02:29:17,830 --> 02:29:14,720
capital lays

3679
02:29:21,830 --> 02:29:17,840
atlantis or aliens right it's like these

3680
02:29:24,309 --> 02:29:21,840
two untouchable subjects with academia

3681
02:29:27,670 --> 02:29:24,319
but it's something

3682
02:29:29,030 --> 02:29:27,680
is is behind all of this in into the the

3683
02:29:31,910 --> 02:29:29,040
deep past

3684
02:29:35,750 --> 02:29:31,920
how do we how do we accomplish this

3685
02:29:36,389 --> 02:29:35,760
do you go with one of those two big a's

3686
02:29:37,910 --> 02:29:36,399
well

3687
02:29:41,429 --> 02:29:37,920
people who know me in my work will know

3688
02:29:43,670 --> 02:29:41,439
that i i come from a biblical world view

3689
02:29:45,750 --> 02:29:43,680
which i think this paradigm accommodates

3690
02:29:47,750 --> 02:29:45,760
all of this by the way it's these are

3691
02:29:51,110 --> 02:29:47,760
not extra biblical

3692
02:29:53,349 --> 02:29:51,120
uh uh ideas these are ideas

3693
02:29:54,870 --> 02:29:53,359
concepts that are that are comfortably

3694
02:29:55,990 --> 02:29:54,880
accommodated within the biblical

3695
02:29:57,110 --> 02:29:56,000
paradigm

3696
02:29:59,910 --> 02:29:57,120
and so

3697
02:30:02,230 --> 02:29:59,920
if you ask me hey you know you you you

3698
02:30:05,190 --> 02:30:02,240
subscribe to the biblical narrative do

3699
02:30:06,630 --> 02:30:05,200
you believe in aliens extraterrestrials

3700
02:30:08,790 --> 02:30:06,640
my answer would be absolutely

3701
02:30:11,830 --> 02:30:08,800
unequivocally yes

3702
02:30:13,590 --> 02:30:11,840
because the biblical narrative presumes

3703
02:30:16,309 --> 02:30:13,600
the existence of extraterrestrials

3704
02:30:18,630 --> 02:30:16,319
presumes it right in the narrative

3705
02:30:22,349 --> 02:30:18,640
and so coming from that from that

3706
02:30:25,510 --> 02:30:22,359
background if you ask me was there uh

3707
02:30:28,230 --> 02:30:25,520
extraterrestrial influence in

3708
02:30:30,070 --> 02:30:28,240
uh human civilization my answer

3709
02:30:32,150 --> 02:30:30,080
again as a person who subscribes to the

3710
02:30:34,309 --> 02:30:32,160
biblical narrative would be yes

3711
02:30:36,710 --> 02:30:34,319
absolutely there was

3712
02:30:38,309 --> 02:30:36,720
and so that would be my answer for for

3713
02:30:40,389 --> 02:30:38,319
the with the alien question and then as

3714
02:30:41,349 --> 02:30:40,399
it pertains to atlantis

3715
02:30:44,550 --> 02:30:41,359
um

3716
02:30:45,670 --> 02:30:44,560
i i don't know if atlantis existed as a

3717
02:30:47,990 --> 02:30:45,680
city

3718
02:30:50,309 --> 02:30:48,000
it was what plato was saying was that

3719
02:30:52,790 --> 02:30:50,319
was that a a a

3720
02:30:54,550 --> 02:30:52,800
uh description of an actual city or was

3721
02:30:57,349 --> 02:30:54,560
he was it esoteric

3722
02:30:59,030 --> 02:30:57,359
was he just was he giving us a zipped

3723
02:31:00,550 --> 02:30:59,040
folder that has to be unpacked to

3724
02:31:02,550 --> 02:31:00,560
extract the information

3725
02:31:04,070 --> 02:31:02,560
because they did that all the time all

3726
02:31:05,030 --> 02:31:04,080
of the time i mean that's what they

3727
02:31:07,270 --> 02:31:05,040
that's what they did you know the

3728
02:31:09,270 --> 02:31:07,280
pythagoreans and so forth this was what

3729
02:31:10,230 --> 02:31:09,280
they did they never told you plainly

3730
02:31:11,750 --> 02:31:10,240
what they're trying to tell you they

3731
02:31:13,510 --> 02:31:11,760
told you in symbolism and they told you

3732
02:31:14,469 --> 02:31:13,520
and so forth and so on so

3733
02:31:16,309 --> 02:31:14,479
um

3734
02:31:19,750 --> 02:31:16,319
i don't know but i do believe that

3735
02:31:21,910 --> 02:31:19,760
atlanta's at the very least

3736
02:31:22,870 --> 02:31:21,920
is a

3737
02:31:24,550 --> 02:31:22,880
it's a

3738
02:31:26,550 --> 02:31:24,560
um

3739
02:31:29,590 --> 02:31:26,560
it gives us a picture

3740
02:31:31,510 --> 02:31:29,600
of the antediluvian world

3741
02:31:33,270 --> 02:31:31,520
that it is in fact

3742
02:31:35,590 --> 02:31:33,280
uh it is in fact

3743
02:31:37,349 --> 02:31:35,600
symbolic of the antediluvian world in

3744
02:31:39,349 --> 02:31:37,359
general because again remember what i

3745
02:31:41,750 --> 02:31:39,359
said that all of these ancient

3746
02:31:44,150 --> 02:31:41,760
civilizations they have a mythos of the

3747
02:31:45,590 --> 02:31:44,160
golden age this is what atlantis

3748
02:31:47,750 --> 02:31:45,600
encapsulates

3749
02:31:50,150 --> 02:31:47,760
atlantis who founded atlantis according

3750
02:31:52,469 --> 02:31:50,160
to plato poseidon

3751
02:31:55,590 --> 02:31:52,479
founded atlantis and what did poseidon

3752
02:31:56,950 --> 02:31:55,600
do he took a human wife he married a

3753
02:31:59,429 --> 02:31:56,960
human woman

3754
02:32:01,750 --> 02:31:59,439
so here's the gods dwelling among men

3755
02:32:02,870 --> 02:32:01,760
right he marries a human woman he takes

3756
02:32:05,270 --> 02:32:02,880
it a wife

3757
02:32:08,830 --> 02:32:05,280
he uh he copulates with her she

3758
02:32:11,429 --> 02:32:08,840
conceives and gives birth to ten twin

3759
02:32:13,510 --> 02:32:11,439
sons who would become the rulers of not

3760
02:32:14,630 --> 02:32:13,520
just atlanta atlantis the atlantean

3761
02:32:16,870 --> 02:32:14,640
empire

3762
02:32:19,110 --> 02:32:16,880
and these are the sons of poseidon atlas

3763
02:32:20,710 --> 02:32:19,120
being the the chief among them

3764
02:32:22,150 --> 02:32:20,720
and there's other there's there's reason

3765
02:32:23,510 --> 02:32:22,160
to believe by the way once again but

3766
02:32:26,150 --> 02:32:23,520
there's other ancient documents that

3767
02:32:28,309 --> 02:32:26,160
that suggest that those were giants

3768
02:32:30,710 --> 02:32:28,319
those kings were giants which would have

3769
02:32:32,469 --> 02:32:30,720
been uh which would have fit into the

3770
02:32:35,349 --> 02:32:32,479
narrative of the greeks where many of

3771
02:32:37,830 --> 02:32:35,359
the offspring of the gods were giants um

3772
02:32:41,750 --> 02:32:37,840
and so you have you have in you have the

3773
02:32:44,150 --> 02:32:41,760
encapsulation of the anti-deluvian world

3774
02:32:46,389 --> 02:32:44,160
you have the gods mary taking human

3775
02:32:48,389 --> 02:32:46,399
women as wives copulating with them

3776
02:32:50,550 --> 02:32:48,399
procreating through them

3777
02:32:52,550 --> 02:32:50,560
hybrid offspring that became the the

3778
02:32:53,750 --> 02:32:52,560
demigods and the rulers over there

3779
02:32:54,550 --> 02:32:53,760
empires

3780
02:32:59,990 --> 02:32:54,560
and

3781
02:33:02,070 --> 02:33:00,000
that's an encapsulation of the

3782
02:33:03,910 --> 02:33:02,080
anti-deluvian age of this lost

3783
02:33:08,790 --> 02:33:03,920
civilization that we're talking about

3784
02:33:10,389 --> 02:33:08,800
and and clearly uh a very similar uh

3785
02:33:11,270 --> 02:33:10,399
uh story

3786
02:33:13,910 --> 02:33:11,280
to

3787
02:33:16,150 --> 02:33:13,920
the text at edfu

3788
02:33:17,349 --> 02:33:16,160
which you know uh you know go back 10

3789
02:33:20,710 --> 02:33:17,359
000 years when we're talking about

3790
02:33:23,670 --> 02:33:20,720
demigods and the establishment yep yep

3791
02:33:25,429 --> 02:33:23,680
yep it's uh it's a very similar story

3792
02:33:28,309 --> 02:33:25,439
let's take our let me say real quick

3793
02:33:30,150 --> 02:33:28,319
that i do not believe that poseidon was

3794
02:33:33,030 --> 02:33:30,160
poseidon that poseidon was an actual

3795
02:33:35,349 --> 02:33:33,040
character i think that's a mythological

3796
02:33:37,590 --> 02:33:35,359
archetype well you have to be able to

3797
02:33:39,030 --> 02:33:37,600
tell the story to the masses and that's

3798
02:33:40,870 --> 02:33:39,040
how you get it done

3799
02:33:42,870 --> 02:33:40,880
this is fade to black our guest tonight

3800
02:33:45,030 --> 02:33:42,880
timothy albarino now when we come back

3801
02:33:48,550 --> 02:33:45,040
we're going to go into overtime but when

3802
02:33:49,830 --> 02:33:48,560
we come back we're going to talk about

3803
02:33:53,030 --> 02:33:49,840
us

3804
02:33:54,309 --> 02:33:53,040
homo sapien sapien that's right we're

3805
02:33:56,230 --> 02:33:54,319
going to do that when we come back i'm

3806
02:33:59,370 --> 02:33:56,240
your host jimmy church this is fade to

3807
02:34:06,710 --> 02:33:59,380
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3808
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3810
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3811
02:34:27,750 --> 02:34:24,880
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3812
02:34:31,990 --> 02:34:27,760
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3813
02:34:41,070 --> 02:34:34,550
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3814
02:34:44,710 --> 02:34:42,950
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02:39:11,030 --> 02:39:09,429
welcome back fade to black i am your

3904
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host jimmy church our guest tonight

3905
02:39:14,469 --> 02:39:13,439
timothy alvarino heading straight into

3906
02:39:17,750 --> 02:39:14,479
overtime

3907
02:39:19,830 --> 02:39:17,760
i think everybody expected this tonight

3908
02:39:21,830 --> 02:39:19,840
there's no way this conversation was

3909
02:39:24,550 --> 02:39:21,840
about to stop

3910
02:39:26,950 --> 02:39:24,560
and uh timothy uh when we get in

3911
02:39:28,389 --> 02:39:26,960
overtime i like to loosen up a little

3912
02:39:29,990 --> 02:39:28,399
bit um

3913
02:39:32,550 --> 02:39:30,000
uh but uh

3914
02:39:35,910 --> 02:39:32,560
this is a serious subject for me

3915
02:39:36,870 --> 02:39:35,920
which is which is us homo sapien sapien

3916
02:39:40,389 --> 02:39:36,880
and

3917
02:39:42,150 --> 02:39:40,399
when we go back to some of the mythology

3918
02:39:43,110 --> 02:39:42,160
and then you know the sumerian text

3919
02:39:44,790 --> 02:39:43,120
certainly

3920
02:39:48,710 --> 02:39:44,800
uh says a lot

3921
02:39:49,830 --> 02:39:48,720
but if we just go with the hard sciences

3922
02:39:52,870 --> 02:39:49,840
um

3923
02:39:54,950 --> 02:39:52,880
we just appeared here 200 000 years ago

3924
02:39:57,510 --> 02:39:54,960
and i think we can all agree that

3925
02:40:00,469 --> 02:39:57,520
there's a lot of intelligent uh species

3926
02:40:03,110 --> 02:40:00,479
on this planet but i don't see dolphins

3927
02:40:06,070 --> 02:40:03,120
with the internet right

3928
02:40:08,070 --> 02:40:06,080
the the evolution has not continued we

3929
02:40:09,990 --> 02:40:08,080
are singular

3930
02:40:13,190 --> 02:40:10,000
on this planet

3931
02:40:16,389 --> 02:40:13,200
but we just appeared we just appeared

3932
02:40:18,309 --> 02:40:16,399
out of nowhere 200 000 years ago

3933
02:40:20,550 --> 02:40:18,319
what what's your take on that how did

3934
02:40:22,150 --> 02:40:20,560
that happen and we sort of danced on

3935
02:40:24,630 --> 02:40:22,160
this earlier but

3936
02:40:26,950 --> 02:40:24,640
we uh blew right past it how did we just

3937
02:40:29,030 --> 02:40:26,960
appear here

3938
02:40:31,830 --> 02:40:29,040
um well i personally don't subscribe to

3939
02:40:33,910 --> 02:40:31,840
the theory of evolution um i i think

3940
02:40:35,429 --> 02:40:33,920
it's a theory in crisis as many people

3941
02:40:36,469 --> 02:40:35,439
have described it

3942
02:40:38,309 --> 02:40:36,479
um

3943
02:40:40,389 --> 02:40:38,319
and i think there's a better explanation

3944
02:40:42,630 --> 02:40:40,399
frankly and that explanation again i'm

3945
02:40:45,830 --> 02:40:42,640
going to cite my own background which is

3946
02:40:48,389 --> 02:40:45,840
the the biblical narrative i think is in

3947
02:40:50,389 --> 02:40:48,399
fact the true narrative and not just

3948
02:40:53,590 --> 02:40:50,399
because i'm cherry-picking it out of all

3949
02:40:55,349 --> 02:40:53,600
of the other ancient narratives um

3950
02:40:56,790 --> 02:40:55,359
but because out of all these other

3951
02:40:58,230 --> 02:40:56,800
ancient narratives

3952
02:40:59,750 --> 02:40:58,240
there's only one narrative that is

3953
02:41:06,150 --> 02:40:59,760
self-validating

3954
02:41:08,230 --> 02:41:06,160
a a collection of uh manuscripts

3955
02:41:10,950 --> 02:41:08,240
manuscripts that do something unique

3956
02:41:12,309 --> 02:41:10,960
that that validate their own

3957
02:41:13,670 --> 02:41:12,319
truth

3958
02:41:15,030 --> 02:41:13,680
and that is

3959
02:41:16,469 --> 02:41:15,040
the

3960
02:41:18,790 --> 02:41:16,479
and that is through

3961
02:41:20,630 --> 02:41:18,800
the agency of prophecy

3962
02:41:23,269 --> 02:41:20,640
so if you have a manuscript that can

3963
02:41:24,550 --> 02:41:23,279
actually accurately predict things about

3964
02:41:26,630 --> 02:41:24,560
the future and i'm not talking just

3965
02:41:28,389 --> 02:41:26,640
about our future but about the future of

3966
02:41:29,990 --> 02:41:28,399
the ancients for example the the

3967
02:41:32,469 --> 02:41:30,000
kingdoms that were about to arise in the

3968
02:41:33,590 --> 02:41:32,479
empires and so forth and and and

3969
02:41:35,429 --> 02:41:33,600
different events that would have been

3970
02:41:37,030 --> 02:41:35,439
impossible for these guys to know and

3971
02:41:38,950 --> 02:41:37,040
when i say these guys i mean the writers

3972
02:41:40,469 --> 02:41:38,960
of these of these ancient hebrew

3973
02:41:42,469 --> 02:41:40,479
manuscripts if they're making these

3974
02:41:44,389 --> 02:41:42,479
accurate predictions

3975
02:41:45,990 --> 02:41:44,399
then they're doing something that none

3976
02:41:47,830 --> 02:41:46,000
of the these other texts not the

3977
02:41:50,230 --> 02:41:47,840
sumerian tablets

3978
02:41:52,790 --> 02:41:50,240
uh not the vedas not any of these other

3979
02:41:55,910 --> 02:41:52,800
ancient manuscripts can do and have done

3980
02:41:58,870 --> 02:41:55,920
and that is be self-validating

3981
02:42:00,870 --> 02:41:58,880
and uh the the uh the late chuck missler

3982
02:42:02,230 --> 02:42:00,880
who was a bible scholar a very

3983
02:42:05,190 --> 02:42:02,240
intriguing guy

3984
02:42:07,590 --> 02:42:05,200
um used to say that uh

3985
02:42:10,550 --> 02:42:07,600
that the that the biblical narrative is

3986
02:42:14,150 --> 02:42:10,560
in fact an extraterrestrial message from

3987
02:42:15,910 --> 02:42:14,160
outside of time to mankind

3988
02:42:17,670 --> 02:42:15,920
and and and i wholeheartedly

3989
02:42:19,429 --> 02:42:17,680
wholeheartedly agree with that that when

3990
02:42:20,950 --> 02:42:19,439
i when i cite

3991
02:42:22,790 --> 02:42:20,960
the the biblical text when i say that i

3992
02:42:25,190 --> 02:42:22,800
believe in the biblical narrative what

3993
02:42:27,990 --> 02:42:25,200
i'm telling you is that i believe

3994
02:42:29,910 --> 02:42:28,000
that specifically the biblical narrative

3995
02:42:31,269 --> 02:42:29,920
the old and new testament of what we

3996
02:42:32,910 --> 02:42:31,279
call the bible

3997
02:42:36,070 --> 02:42:32,920
is an is an

3998
02:42:38,150 --> 02:42:36,080
extraterrestrial message to mankind from

3999
02:42:41,990 --> 02:42:38,160
outside of time

4000
02:42:43,110 --> 02:42:42,000
from man's maker

4001
02:42:45,349 --> 02:42:43,120
and uh

4002
02:42:47,990 --> 02:42:45,359
and and that uh and that makes it the

4003
02:42:49,990 --> 02:42:48,000
most important message that humanity has

4004
02:42:51,830 --> 02:42:50,000
ever received and that's my perspective

4005
02:42:53,110 --> 02:42:51,840
and that's my background and that's my

4006
02:42:56,469 --> 02:42:53,120
belief system

4007
02:42:58,630 --> 02:42:56,479
and so if you ask me how we got here

4008
02:42:59,750 --> 02:42:58,640
then i would say very

4009
02:43:01,910 --> 02:42:59,760
simply

4010
02:43:03,110 --> 02:43:01,920
that we were created

4011
02:43:05,349 --> 02:43:03,120
to be here

4012
02:43:07,750 --> 02:43:05,359
that we were created to inhabit the

4013
02:43:11,030 --> 02:43:07,760
earth and we were and we were created to

4014
02:43:13,429 --> 02:43:11,040
do so for a very specific purpose

4015
02:43:15,429 --> 02:43:13,439
and uh and so that that's that's how i

4016
02:43:18,230 --> 02:43:15,439
believe we got here so i don't subscribe

4017
02:43:20,150 --> 02:43:18,240
to evolution um and i understand i do

4018
02:43:22,550 --> 02:43:20,160
understand the narrative of evolution

4019
02:43:25,990 --> 02:43:22,560
and and so forth but

4020
02:43:27,590 --> 02:43:26,000
um so i think but but having said that

4021
02:43:29,269 --> 02:43:27,600
i'm not a what's called a young earth

4022
02:43:31,349 --> 02:43:29,279
creationist i don't believe that the

4023
02:43:32,870 --> 02:43:31,359
earth was created six thousand years ago

4024
02:43:35,670 --> 02:43:32,880
i i agree with what you said i think the

4025
02:43:37,750 --> 02:43:35,680
earth is very very very very old and

4026
02:43:39,750 --> 02:43:37,760
possibly was inhabited before we showed

4027
02:43:42,469 --> 02:43:39,760
up

4028
02:43:45,110 --> 02:43:42,479
and that the universe itself is

4029
02:43:46,710 --> 02:43:45,120
exceedingly unfathomably old

4030
02:43:48,830 --> 02:43:46,720
and that

4031
02:43:51,510 --> 02:43:48,840
we are not the only inhabitants of the

4032
02:43:53,830 --> 02:43:51,520
universe and as i said before the break

4033
02:43:55,750 --> 02:43:53,840
that the biblical narrative

4034
02:43:58,150 --> 02:43:55,760
presumes the existence of

4035
02:44:01,670 --> 02:43:58,160
extraterrestrials

4036
02:44:03,830 --> 02:44:01,680
and uh and we the bible

4037
02:44:06,950 --> 02:44:03,840
calls them designates them very

4038
02:44:08,790 --> 02:44:06,960
ambiguous designation angels it's a very

4039
02:44:11,910 --> 02:44:08,800
ambiguous purposely ambiguous

4040
02:44:14,870 --> 02:44:11,920
designation but but angels are non-human

4041
02:44:16,389 --> 02:44:14,880
entities that pre-existed mankind that

4042
02:44:18,950 --> 02:44:16,399
are not from the earth they are

4043
02:44:21,030 --> 02:44:18,960
therefore extraterrestrial

4044
02:44:23,910 --> 02:44:21,040
extraterrestrial means it's a being

4045
02:44:25,910 --> 02:44:23,920
whose providence is not planet earth and

4046
02:44:27,510 --> 02:44:25,920
that is again presumed within the

4047
02:44:28,389 --> 02:44:27,520
biblical narrative

4048
02:44:29,349 --> 02:44:28,399
so

4049
02:44:31,190 --> 02:44:29,359
um

4050
02:44:32,710 --> 02:44:31,200
i think that uh

4051
02:44:34,790 --> 02:44:32,720
so i think that we would find a lot of

4052
02:44:36,309 --> 02:44:34,800
agreement and i think probably

4053
02:44:38,230 --> 02:44:36,319
surprising to maybe some of your

4054
02:44:41,030 --> 02:44:38,240
audience that that a guy like me who's a

4055
02:44:43,190 --> 02:44:41,040
christian could find a could find

4056
02:44:44,230 --> 02:44:43,200
could have could uh agree with the

4057
02:44:46,790 --> 02:44:44,240
statement

4058
02:44:49,750 --> 02:44:46,800
that extraterrestrial

4059
02:44:51,590 --> 02:44:49,760
influenced mankind

4060
02:44:53,269 --> 02:44:51,600
now i have influencing mankind from the

4061
02:44:54,469 --> 02:44:53,279
beginning i that's an affirmative that's

4062
02:44:56,469 --> 02:44:54,479
an affirmative not only for me

4063
02:45:00,150 --> 02:44:56,479
personally i think it's it's affirmed in

4064
02:45:02,550 --> 02:45:00,160
the biblical context now i have seen uh

4065
02:45:06,469 --> 02:45:02,560
a lot of your presentations over the

4066
02:45:08,630 --> 02:45:06,479
years and you have uh been on many shows

4067
02:45:09,830 --> 02:45:08,640
uh with

4068
02:45:11,190 --> 02:45:09,840
with uh

4069
02:45:16,309 --> 02:45:11,200
a

4070
02:45:19,190 --> 02:45:16,319
these terms with hosts

4071
02:45:21,030 --> 02:45:19,200
that are religious scholars right they

4072
02:45:21,990 --> 02:45:21,040
understand

4073
02:45:27,670 --> 02:45:22,000
uh

4074
02:45:29,429 --> 02:45:27,680
christian and religious foundation

4075
02:45:32,469 --> 02:45:29,439
and then when

4076
02:45:34,230 --> 02:45:32,479
you are a part of that audience

4077
02:45:37,590 --> 02:45:34,240
how much

4078
02:45:39,830 --> 02:45:37,600
of the audience is is on board with you

4079
02:45:42,150 --> 02:45:39,840
with these statements um

4080
02:45:43,670 --> 02:45:42,160
uh is this so in the jewish christian

4081
02:45:46,230 --> 02:45:43,680
community for example how many people

4082
02:45:47,750 --> 02:45:46,240
would uh accept the statement that yes

4083
02:45:49,830 --> 02:45:47,760
yes

4084
02:45:51,269 --> 02:45:49,840
well i think that

4085
02:45:52,550 --> 02:45:51,279
a lot of people might at first take

4086
02:45:54,550 --> 02:45:52,560
umbrage

4087
02:45:56,630 --> 02:45:54,560
because it seems so foreign

4088
02:45:58,150 --> 02:45:56,640
to their paradigm but then once you do a

4089
02:46:00,469 --> 02:45:58,160
little bit of thinking you realize that

4090
02:46:03,030 --> 02:46:00,479
what i'm saying is just simply i'm i'm

4091
02:46:04,309 --> 02:46:03,040
making an illogical inference that is

4092
02:46:06,070 --> 02:46:04,319
frankly

4093
02:46:07,670 --> 02:46:06,080
uh it's it's

4094
02:46:10,550 --> 02:46:07,680
it's um

4095
02:46:12,070 --> 02:46:10,560
it's unimpeachable i mean it's it is

4096
02:46:14,150 --> 02:46:12,080
what it is an extraterrestrial as a

4097
02:46:16,389 --> 02:46:14,160
being whose providence is not planet

4098
02:46:18,230 --> 02:46:16,399
earth period end of story

4099
02:46:19,309 --> 02:46:18,240
angels are therefore according to the

4100
02:46:21,190 --> 02:46:19,319
scriptures

4101
02:46:24,469 --> 02:46:21,200
extraterrestrial it's just a statement

4102
02:46:26,070 --> 02:46:24,479
of truth and so i think a lot of a lot

4103
02:46:28,070 --> 02:46:26,080
of uh a lot of people a lot of

4104
02:46:29,750 --> 02:46:28,080
christians might at first be shocked and

4105
02:46:31,830 --> 02:46:29,760
are at first shocked but then i think

4106
02:46:33,510 --> 02:46:31,840
once they realize that this is just a a

4107
02:46:36,630 --> 02:46:33,520
statement of fact

4108
02:46:38,630 --> 02:46:36,640
it it and in fact see i believe that the

4109
02:46:40,469 --> 02:46:38,640
you know the people a lot of people tend

4110
02:46:42,790 --> 02:46:40,479
to view the biblical narrative as being

4111
02:46:45,750 --> 02:46:42,800
very narrow and um

4112
02:46:48,389 --> 02:46:45,760
and not encompassing for example the ufo

4113
02:46:49,990 --> 02:46:48,399
phenomenon quite contrary to that belief

4114
02:46:51,830 --> 02:46:50,000
that the biblical narrative is

4115
02:46:53,750 --> 02:46:51,840
exceedingly broad in fact i would say

4116
02:46:56,469 --> 02:46:53,760
it's galactic

4117
02:46:58,150 --> 02:46:56,479
and there's nothing it doesn't encompass

4118
02:46:59,910 --> 02:46:58,160
and nothing that can't be explained

4119
02:47:02,389 --> 02:46:59,920
within that within that context so it's

4120
02:47:05,269 --> 02:47:02,399
a it's a functional world view

4121
02:47:06,870 --> 02:47:05,279
um that answers questions naturally

4122
02:47:08,790 --> 02:47:06,880
answers questions

4123
02:47:10,150 --> 02:47:08,800
and so that's why i subscribe to it

4124
02:47:10,950 --> 02:47:10,160
now uh

4125
02:47:13,190 --> 02:47:10,960
uh

4126
02:47:15,590 --> 02:47:13,200
what i find very interesting oh i wanted

4127
02:47:16,550 --> 02:47:15,600
to say this la marzulli who's also in

4128
02:47:19,670 --> 02:47:16,560
the film

4129
02:47:22,230 --> 02:47:19,680
i remember um this is this is going back

4130
02:47:25,429 --> 02:47:22,240
uh uh quite a few years

4131
02:47:28,389 --> 02:47:25,439
um uh quite possibly 20. but i remember

4132
02:47:29,510 --> 02:47:28,399
the first time i uh started listening to

4133
02:47:31,750 --> 02:47:29,520
la

4134
02:47:33,030 --> 02:47:31,760
i had said to myself at that time this

4135
02:47:35,670 --> 02:47:33,040
is my guy

4136
02:47:37,190 --> 02:47:35,680
right this is my this is who i've been

4137
02:47:38,389 --> 02:47:37,200
waiting for

4138
02:47:40,630 --> 02:47:38,399
i was just on the phone with ellie

4139
02:47:42,950 --> 02:47:40,640
marsuli before i jumped on the call with

4140
02:47:45,510 --> 02:47:42,960
you uh he's a good friend he is an

4141
02:47:48,870 --> 02:47:45,520
amazing amazing guy and

4142
02:47:51,910 --> 02:47:48,880
and uh and it really helped me uh

4143
02:47:55,269 --> 02:47:51,920
navigate uh ufology in in ancient

4144
02:47:57,510 --> 02:47:55,279
history um i don't always agree with la

4145
02:47:59,349 --> 02:47:57,520
um uh but

4146
02:48:02,150 --> 02:47:59,359
you have to have an open mind and he

4147
02:48:05,670 --> 02:48:02,160
certainly does and he allowed me to do

4148
02:48:07,990 --> 02:48:05,680
that but there was another thing um that

4149
02:48:09,349 --> 02:48:08,000
la and i was speaking with you allowed

4150
02:48:14,150 --> 02:48:09,359
me to do

4151
02:48:16,469 --> 02:48:14,160
and that is if you go into the bible

4152
02:48:17,910 --> 02:48:16,479
and and read it and and i have

4153
02:48:19,830 --> 02:48:17,920
right okay

4154
02:48:23,110 --> 02:48:19,840
and insert

4155
02:48:26,630 --> 02:48:23,120
e.t right insert little gray

4156
02:48:29,349 --> 02:48:26,640
insert certain things into the story

4157
02:48:30,950 --> 02:48:29,359
and it starts to become crystal clear

4158
02:48:33,269 --> 02:48:30,960
and make sense

4159
02:48:36,150 --> 02:48:33,279
i'm okay with that

4160
02:48:39,510 --> 02:48:36,160
i think that the vatican right now is

4161
02:48:40,389 --> 02:48:39,520
approaching this from that narrative as

4162
02:48:43,670 --> 02:48:40,399
well

4163
02:48:46,389 --> 02:48:43,680
where they need to navigate this

4164
02:48:47,990 --> 02:48:46,399
in a way with with catholics around the

4165
02:48:49,190 --> 02:48:48,000
world and that have a religious

4166
02:48:52,309 --> 02:48:49,200
foundation

4167
02:48:54,710 --> 02:48:52,319
to introduce this this idea because

4168
02:48:57,670 --> 02:48:54,720
something is happening right now and

4169
02:48:59,830 --> 02:48:57,680
they do have to explain the universe and

4170
02:49:02,630 --> 02:48:59,840
what may be going on i wouldn't be

4171
02:49:04,550 --> 02:49:02,640
surprised if the vatican intelligence

4172
02:49:07,110 --> 02:49:04,560
which uh their intelligence apparatus

4173
02:49:09,269 --> 02:49:07,120
which is called the entity by uh other

4174
02:49:10,710 --> 02:49:09,279
intelligence apparatuses because it's so

4175
02:49:13,110 --> 02:49:10,720
massive and

4176
02:49:15,510 --> 02:49:13,120
and pervasive i wouldn't doubt that that

4177
02:49:17,910 --> 02:49:15,520
that the entity at the vatican knows

4178
02:49:19,990 --> 02:49:17,920
more about ufos than the pentagon it

4179
02:49:20,950 --> 02:49:20,000
wouldn't surprise me at least

4180
02:49:23,030 --> 02:49:20,960
um

4181
02:49:24,630 --> 02:49:23,040
but uh yeah the vatican is definitely

4182
02:49:27,110 --> 02:49:24,640
scrambling right now but they're they're

4183
02:49:28,349 --> 02:49:27,120
there see and when people so let's be

4184
02:49:31,110 --> 02:49:28,359
clear when i talk about

4185
02:49:33,110 --> 02:49:31,120
extraterrestrials influencing mankind

4186
02:49:35,110 --> 02:49:33,120
uh first and foremost i am not talking

4187
02:49:37,510 --> 02:49:35,120
about the grays

4188
02:49:38,710 --> 02:49:37,520
um and that's one point another point is

4189
02:49:40,710 --> 02:49:38,720
when i talk about extraterrestrials

4190
02:49:42,710 --> 02:49:40,720
influencing mankind i'm talking both

4191
02:49:44,230 --> 02:49:42,720
good and bad

4192
02:49:45,349 --> 02:49:44,240
okay so it's not one or the other it's

4193
02:49:47,670 --> 02:49:45,359
both

4194
02:49:50,630 --> 02:49:47,680
and and not the grace the grays are a

4195
02:49:51,590 --> 02:49:50,640
completely different conversation to me

4196
02:49:53,590 --> 02:49:51,600
um

4197
02:49:55,269 --> 02:49:53,600
i actually believe that the grace showed

4198
02:49:56,870 --> 02:49:55,279
up in the mid-1800s i don't think

4199
02:49:58,309 --> 02:49:56,880
they're ancient i don't subscribe to the

4200
02:49:59,910 --> 02:49:58,319
grace having been around for a very long

4201
02:50:02,790 --> 02:49:59,920
time at least not

4202
02:50:03,750 --> 02:50:02,800
um not uh engaged in the abduction

4203
02:50:04,790 --> 02:50:03,760
program

4204
02:50:07,269 --> 02:50:04,800
um

4205
02:50:10,389 --> 02:50:07,279
that i think is it's clear that it this

4206
02:50:12,389 --> 02:50:10,399
is a relatively modern phenomenon the

4207
02:50:16,070 --> 02:50:12,399
abduction program definitely modern in

4208
02:50:17,590 --> 02:50:16,080
its uh specificity so um but but that

4209
02:50:19,750 --> 02:50:17,600
doesn't discount

4210
02:50:21,750 --> 02:50:19,760
uh other entities

4211
02:50:23,910 --> 02:50:21,760
right that aren't the grays that are not

4212
02:50:26,950 --> 02:50:23,920
from the earth that have been around

4213
02:50:29,349 --> 02:50:26,960
using technology comparable or even more

4214
02:50:31,750 --> 02:50:29,359
advanced than what the graves have

4215
02:50:33,030 --> 02:50:31,760
so let's just put in these terms

4216
02:50:34,550 --> 02:50:33,040
um

4217
02:50:37,429 --> 02:50:34,560
have there been

4218
02:50:40,309 --> 02:50:37,439
ancient extraterrestrial beings

4219
02:50:44,469 --> 02:50:40,319
interacting with mankind and traversing

4220
02:50:47,110 --> 02:50:44,479
our skies in advanced aerospace craft

4221
02:50:48,389 --> 02:50:47,120
for millennia

4222
02:50:52,950 --> 02:50:48,399
yes

4223
02:50:55,269 --> 02:50:52,960
narrative answers that in the

4224
02:50:57,349 --> 02:50:55,279
affirmative as well

4225
02:51:00,550 --> 02:50:57,359
is there um

4226
02:51:02,550 --> 02:51:00,560
uh when we go into the modern context of

4227
02:51:04,469 --> 02:51:02,560
of contactees and

4228
02:51:07,429 --> 02:51:04,479
and and what they have seen

4229
02:51:09,670 --> 02:51:07,439
uh uh in a variety of different ways but

4230
02:51:11,110 --> 02:51:09,680
the description of light beings with a

4231
02:51:12,790 --> 02:51:11,120
message

4232
02:51:15,349 --> 02:51:12,800
and you

4233
02:51:18,070 --> 02:51:15,359
just go right to

4234
02:51:19,590 --> 02:51:18,080
angels if we don't have another word to

4235
02:51:22,070 --> 02:51:19,600
use right now

4236
02:51:23,750 --> 02:51:22,080
but but angels being

4237
02:51:26,950 --> 02:51:23,760
beings of light

4238
02:51:28,550 --> 02:51:26,960
um and and with the message and and

4239
02:51:31,190 --> 02:51:28,560
communications

4240
02:51:33,510 --> 02:51:31,200
that that would be the way

4241
02:51:35,510 --> 02:51:33,520
from somebody you know a thousand two

4242
02:51:37,590 --> 02:51:35,520
thousand three thousand years ago

4243
02:51:39,110 --> 02:51:37,600
a way to describe

4244
02:51:41,190 --> 02:51:39,120
to the masses what they were seeing

4245
02:51:42,630 --> 02:51:41,200
without figuring uh freaking out the

4246
02:51:43,910 --> 02:51:42,640
entire village

4247
02:51:46,389 --> 02:51:43,920
sure but

4248
02:51:47,990 --> 02:51:46,399
actually i referred i the angels is it's

4249
02:51:49,990 --> 02:51:48,000
a difficult word because it's without

4250
02:51:51,830 --> 02:51:50,000
getting into the into the weeds on it

4251
02:51:53,670 --> 02:51:51,840
it's it's just it's just a descriptor of

4252
02:51:55,910 --> 02:51:53,680
occupation it's not it doesn't it

4253
02:51:58,469 --> 02:51:55,920
doesn't tell you anything about the

4254
02:52:00,070 --> 02:51:58,479
race right of the entities that it's

4255
02:52:01,990 --> 02:52:00,080
describing it's just describes or in

4256
02:52:03,910 --> 02:52:02,000
fact in the bible not just heavenly

4257
02:52:05,190 --> 02:52:03,920
beings are called angels in some cases

4258
02:52:07,269 --> 02:52:05,200
humans are called angels when they're

4259
02:52:10,230 --> 02:52:07,279
dispatched as emissaries when they're

4260
02:52:11,990 --> 02:52:10,240
functioning as messengers so

4261
02:52:13,990 --> 02:52:12,000
um i actually i wrote a book called

4262
02:52:16,550 --> 02:52:14,000
birthright and i can i go through all of

4263
02:52:19,910 --> 02:52:16,560
this in the book and i actually because

4264
02:52:23,269 --> 02:52:19,920
the word angel is so ambiguous and so

4265
02:52:25,269 --> 02:52:23,279
nondescript it doesn't inform us about

4266
02:52:26,950 --> 02:52:25,279
the nature of these beings i actually

4267
02:52:28,950 --> 02:52:26,960
refer to them i give them i doesn't give

4268
02:52:31,590 --> 02:52:28,960
them my own designation in the book i

4269
02:52:32,790 --> 02:52:31,600
call them the elder race

4270
02:52:34,710 --> 02:52:32,800
and the reason why i call them the elder

4271
02:52:37,349 --> 02:52:34,720
race is simple because biblically

4272
02:52:39,910 --> 02:52:37,359
speaking they're older than us clearly

4273
02:52:41,670 --> 02:52:39,920
and they constitute a race they're not

4274
02:52:43,670 --> 02:52:41,680
us they're different beings they're a

4275
02:52:45,830 --> 02:52:43,680
race i call them the elder race and i

4276
02:52:46,870 --> 02:52:45,840
think their civilization is exceedingly

4277
02:52:48,710 --> 02:52:46,880
ancient

4278
02:52:50,550 --> 02:52:48,720
and i think they're from somewhere else

4279
02:52:51,590 --> 02:52:50,560
somewhere else in the universe frankly

4280
02:52:53,670 --> 02:52:51,600
and so

4281
02:52:55,429 --> 02:52:53,680
um and that there's there's there's the

4282
02:52:56,870 --> 02:52:55,439
there's good guys and bad guys in this

4283
02:52:58,389 --> 02:52:56,880
group and that there's an ongoing

4284
02:53:00,550 --> 02:52:58,399
conflict between the good guys and the

4285
02:53:02,150 --> 02:53:00,560
bad guys and have been for long before

4286
02:53:04,389 --> 02:53:02,160
we were on the scene

4287
02:53:06,870 --> 02:53:04,399
and so again that's why i say this is

4288
02:53:08,389 --> 02:53:06,880
it's galactic the the the context is

4289
02:53:09,429 --> 02:53:08,399
galactic

4290
02:53:10,630 --> 02:53:09,439
and so

4291
02:53:12,309 --> 02:53:10,640
um

4292
02:53:14,309 --> 02:53:12,319
that's them that's that group and by the

4293
02:53:16,710 --> 02:53:14,319
way i think that that group is the group

4294
02:53:19,429 --> 02:53:16,720
that ufologists have identified as the

4295
02:53:21,590 --> 02:53:19,439
nordics that or the pleiades

4296
02:53:23,269 --> 02:53:21,600
the ones that we look like

4297
02:53:26,070 --> 02:53:23,279
because in the biblical narrative it's

4298
02:53:27,990 --> 02:53:26,080
it's it's it's apparent that we look

4299
02:53:29,910 --> 02:53:28,000
like we look like them or they look i

4300
02:53:33,269 --> 02:53:29,920
mean it's they look like us but it's

4301
02:53:34,790 --> 02:53:33,279
more accurate to say we look like them

4302
02:53:37,190 --> 02:53:34,800
in every encounter every single

4303
02:53:39,030 --> 02:53:37,200
encounter that human beings have

4304
02:53:42,150 --> 02:53:39,040
in the biblical narrative with the

4305
02:53:43,190 --> 02:53:42,160
angels they look like us we look like

4306
02:53:46,950 --> 02:53:43,200
them

4307
02:53:48,870 --> 02:53:46,960
um and uh it's a it's a it's um it's not

4308
02:53:50,630 --> 02:53:48,880
true for example that you know it

4309
02:53:52,710 --> 02:53:50,640
contrary to all the catholic depictions

4310
02:53:55,590 --> 02:53:52,720
of angels with wings and you know little

4311
02:53:59,269 --> 02:53:55,600
fat cherubim i call them the pedophilic

4312
02:54:01,030 --> 02:53:59,279
uh uh uh cherubim that the the catholic

4313
02:54:02,790 --> 02:54:01,040
church has plastered all over the place

4314
02:54:06,230 --> 02:54:02,800
little chubby naked things that's

4315
02:54:08,309 --> 02:54:06,240
absolute fantasy fantasy do not think

4316
02:54:10,070 --> 02:54:08,319
for one moment that that is derived from

4317
02:54:12,950 --> 02:54:10,080
the bible it's not

4318
02:54:14,469 --> 02:54:12,960
angels never have wings in the bible

4319
02:54:16,710 --> 02:54:14,479
and this is like a big shocker to most

4320
02:54:19,349 --> 02:54:16,720
people angels don't have wings in the

4321
02:54:21,510 --> 02:54:19,359
biblical text they don't now in there's

4322
02:54:24,230 --> 02:54:21,520
something called prophetic iconography

4323
02:54:26,230 --> 02:54:24,240
that's esoteric that's communicative

4324
02:54:28,150 --> 02:54:26,240
that's not to be interpreted literally

4325
02:54:30,550 --> 02:54:28,160
there are instances where you see wings

4326
02:54:32,230 --> 02:54:30,560
on angelic beings but that's not to be

4327
02:54:34,630 --> 02:54:32,240
taken literally most scholars will agree

4328
02:54:36,710 --> 02:54:34,640
that's not literal it's prophetic but in

4329
02:54:38,550 --> 02:54:36,720
the literal encounters that people have

4330
02:54:40,710 --> 02:54:38,560
with angels in the bible

4331
02:54:43,110 --> 02:54:40,720
they're not even just light beings

4332
02:54:44,469 --> 02:54:43,120
they're just like us they're eating and

4333
02:54:46,870 --> 02:54:44,479
drinking

4334
02:54:49,030 --> 02:54:46,880
they're using technology they have

4335
02:54:50,950 --> 02:54:49,040
advanced vehicles of conveyance that

4336
02:54:52,710 --> 02:54:50,960
they're flying around in they have

4337
02:54:54,070 --> 02:54:52,720
weapons of war

4338
02:54:56,870 --> 02:54:54,080
you know i mean there's there's

4339
02:54:59,670 --> 02:54:56,880
clearances for example uh both abraham

4340
02:55:01,990 --> 02:54:59,680
and lot eat and drink

4341
02:55:02,950 --> 02:55:02,000
with these guys

4342
02:55:05,510 --> 02:55:02,960
and uh

4343
02:55:07,670 --> 02:55:05,520
so they're physical beings they're not

4344
02:55:10,469 --> 02:55:07,680
us but we look a lot like them in fact

4345
02:55:11,830 --> 02:55:10,479
in my book i describe them as our older

4346
02:55:12,950 --> 02:55:11,840
siblings

4347
02:55:14,710 --> 02:55:12,960
now

4348
02:55:17,030 --> 02:55:14,720
i wanted to ask you this and in the

4349
02:55:19,750 --> 02:55:17,040
short time that we have left one of the

4350
02:55:21,590 --> 02:55:19,760
things that i find so fascinating about

4351
02:55:23,910 --> 02:55:21,600
the old testament is

4352
02:55:26,950 --> 02:55:23,920
the specificity

4353
02:55:30,630 --> 02:55:26,960
of years and age

4354
02:55:33,269 --> 02:55:30,640
and and height and and and size that

4355
02:55:35,670 --> 02:55:33,279
far exceed anything that now

4356
02:55:39,349 --> 02:55:35,680
i don't believe that they got it wrong

4357
02:55:41,830 --> 02:55:39,359
and i don't think that it was metaphor

4358
02:55:43,830 --> 02:55:41,840
um when we are dealing with that you

4359
02:55:46,630 --> 02:55:43,840
know somebody being 800 years old or a

4360
02:55:49,990 --> 02:55:46,640
thousand years old or a specific height

4361
02:55:53,830 --> 02:55:50,000
um are they being specific or is it

4362
02:55:56,309 --> 02:55:53,840
metaphor the bible is both a historical

4363
02:55:59,190 --> 02:55:56,319
document it's a prophetic document and

4364
02:56:01,429 --> 02:55:59,200
it's a poetic document

4365
02:56:03,190 --> 02:56:01,439
it incum it encompasses every kind of

4366
02:56:06,150 --> 02:56:03,200
figure of speech

4367
02:56:09,110 --> 02:56:06,160
and every kind of of a community

4368
02:56:10,469 --> 02:56:09,120
communicative device literal device um

4369
02:56:11,590 --> 02:56:10,479
um

4370
02:56:15,190 --> 02:56:11,600
in other words

4371
02:56:18,070 --> 02:56:15,200
it at some times it's it's it's it's um

4372
02:56:20,230 --> 02:56:18,080
uh relating history

4373
02:56:22,790 --> 02:56:20,240
and at other times it's prophetic

4374
02:56:24,950 --> 02:56:22,800
iconography that is telling us something

4375
02:56:27,510 --> 02:56:24,960
about future events

4376
02:56:29,269 --> 02:56:27,520
so um it's not like the whole bible can

4377
02:56:31,349 --> 02:56:29,279
just be interpreted with a wooden

4378
02:56:34,230 --> 02:56:31,359
literalism or

4379
02:56:36,230 --> 02:56:34,240
or just metaphoric and poetic those are

4380
02:56:38,150 --> 02:56:36,240
not the appropriate approaches it is a

4381
02:56:40,150 --> 02:56:38,160
very complex document and when i say

4382
02:56:42,550 --> 02:56:40,160
documents many manuscripts obviously we

4383
02:56:44,150 --> 02:56:42,560
know that spanning thousands of years

4384
02:56:45,590 --> 02:56:44,160
that were compiled into what we call the

4385
02:56:47,269 --> 02:56:45,600
old new testament

4386
02:56:49,269 --> 02:56:47,279
and then you add in some of the other uh

4387
02:56:51,750 --> 02:56:49,279
extra biblical texts which are not in

4388
02:56:53,190 --> 02:56:51,760
the canon of scripture but are cited by

4389
02:56:55,110 --> 02:56:53,200
the apostles in the new testament such

4390
02:56:55,990 --> 02:56:55,120
as the book of enoch

4391
02:56:58,790 --> 02:56:56,000
so

4392
02:57:01,830 --> 02:56:58,800
um it's very complex it's not a simple

4393
02:57:04,790 --> 02:57:01,840
document and so yes there are there's

4394
02:57:06,950 --> 02:57:04,800
literal historical fact unquestionably

4395
02:57:09,750 --> 02:57:06,960
and has been proven to be the case by

4396
02:57:12,389 --> 02:57:09,760
the way for example the life of jesus

4397
02:57:14,630 --> 02:57:12,399
is not a metaphor it is history and

4398
02:57:15,990 --> 02:57:14,640
nobody even though for for over a

4399
02:57:16,870 --> 02:57:16,000
century now

4400
02:57:19,349 --> 02:57:16,880
um

4401
02:57:21,590 --> 02:57:19,359
uh secular scholars have been trying to

4402
02:57:23,429 --> 02:57:21,600
debunk the the historicity of christ

4403
02:57:24,870 --> 02:57:23,439
they can't do it

4404
02:57:26,550 --> 02:57:24,880
you can't do it

4405
02:57:27,910 --> 02:57:26,560
because he is a historical figure and

4406
02:57:29,830 --> 02:57:27,920
most of them have acquiesced to that

4407
02:57:32,150 --> 02:57:29,840
fact yes okay jesus was a historical

4408
02:57:33,670 --> 02:57:32,160
figure so that we we are dealing with

4409
02:57:36,230 --> 02:57:33,680
history and we're not just in the realm

4410
02:57:38,870 --> 02:57:36,240
of mythology where there's maybe some

4411
02:57:40,230 --> 02:57:38,880
historical fact behind the mythos like

4412
02:57:42,469 --> 02:57:40,240
in some of the other doctor the ancient

4413
02:57:44,630 --> 02:57:42,479
indian documents for example and and

4414
02:57:46,309 --> 02:57:44,640
some of the other ancient documents no

4415
02:57:47,110 --> 02:57:46,319
we're dealing with

4416
02:57:49,110 --> 02:57:47,120
um

4417
02:57:52,230 --> 02:57:49,120
we're dealing with history

4418
02:57:53,590 --> 02:57:52,240
uh validated history in many cases and i

4419
02:57:55,110 --> 02:57:53,600
think that

4420
02:57:56,790 --> 02:57:55,120
when it comes to the for example you

4421
02:57:58,150 --> 02:57:56,800
said the age of the patriarchs i do

4422
02:58:00,469 --> 02:57:58,160
believe that the patriarchs lived that

4423
02:58:03,110 --> 02:58:00,479
long why because they were very close to

4424
02:58:05,590 --> 02:58:03,120
the prototypical human being adam and we

4425
02:58:08,790 --> 02:58:05,600
are all of us are degenerate we are we

4426
02:58:10,150 --> 02:58:08,800
have degenerated from adam in fact i

4427
02:58:11,830 --> 02:58:10,160
don't believe in evolution because i

4428
02:58:13,830 --> 02:58:11,840
believe the very opposite of evolution

4429
02:58:16,790 --> 02:58:13,840
is happening not just to us but to other

4430
02:58:19,510 --> 02:58:16,800
living things we are not evolving into

4431
02:58:23,110 --> 02:58:19,520
more complex creatures we are devolving

4432
02:58:24,550 --> 02:58:23,120
we are increasingly devolving we are we

4433
02:58:26,550 --> 02:58:24,560
are um

4434
02:58:27,910 --> 02:58:26,560
um we are

4435
02:58:29,510 --> 02:58:27,920
pathetic

4436
02:58:33,110 --> 02:58:29,520
um

4437
02:58:35,910 --> 02:58:33,120
uh examples of what we once were

4438
02:58:38,150 --> 02:58:35,920
our our the progenitor of mankind adam

4439
02:58:40,150 --> 02:58:38,160
was phenomenal

4440
02:58:42,230 --> 02:58:40,160
in his in his capabilities in his

4441
02:58:44,790 --> 02:58:42,240
physiology he was he was everything a

4442
02:58:46,550 --> 02:58:44,800
human could be he was the strongest man

4443
02:58:47,830 --> 02:58:46,560
and the smartest man to have ever lived

4444
02:58:50,070 --> 02:58:47,840
combined

4445
02:58:53,990 --> 02:58:50,080
i mean that's who our ancient progenitor

4446
02:58:55,590 --> 02:58:54,000
was their genomes were not as uh mutated

4447
02:58:56,710 --> 02:58:55,600
as ours are they didn't have all of

4448
02:58:58,710 --> 02:58:56,720
these genetic

4449
02:59:00,950 --> 02:58:58,720
diseases and so and it's a fact by the

4450
02:59:02,950 --> 02:59:00,960
way we are genetic mutants

4451
02:59:05,429 --> 02:59:02,960
by the way that's what cancer is

4452
02:59:07,349 --> 02:59:05,439
cancer's a mutation in your genes that's

4453
02:59:10,630 --> 02:59:07,359
what causes cancer why is there so much

4454
02:59:12,230 --> 02:59:10,640
cancer because the human species has

4455
02:59:13,110 --> 02:59:12,240
degenerated

4456
02:59:15,910 --> 02:59:13,120
so

4457
02:59:18,630 --> 02:59:15,920
drastically from the original prototype

4458
02:59:20,950 --> 02:59:18,640
things don't get more complex and better

4459
02:59:23,830 --> 02:59:20,960
over time they're subject to the force

4460
02:59:26,870 --> 02:59:23,840
of entropy they become more chaotic they

4461
02:59:27,750 --> 02:59:26,880
crumble they deteriorate over time

4462
02:59:30,150 --> 02:59:27,760
um

4463
02:59:32,150 --> 02:59:30,160
inanimate things and living things

4464
02:59:35,030 --> 02:59:32,160
including the human species you took

4465
02:59:37,990 --> 02:59:35,040
entropy right out of my forehead i was

4466
02:59:39,349 --> 02:59:38,000
getting ready to go right there and

4467
02:59:40,950 --> 02:59:39,359
uh

4468
02:59:44,309 --> 02:59:40,960
physics

4469
02:59:47,750 --> 02:59:44,319
entropy uh on the both the macro and the

4470
02:59:50,150 --> 02:59:47,760
micro is something that is inevitable

4471
02:59:52,150 --> 02:59:50,160
and that's it and if you talk to um um

4472
02:59:54,309 --> 02:59:52,160
if you talk to um

4473
02:59:55,990 --> 02:59:54,319
um my god my brain is failing me right

4474
02:59:58,550 --> 02:59:56,000
now um

4475
03:00:00,790 --> 02:59:58,560
population geneticists for example

4476
03:00:01,590 --> 03:00:00,800
they will tell you they will affirm

4477
03:00:04,070 --> 03:00:01,600
that

4478
03:00:06,710 --> 03:00:04,080
humanity is increasingly becoming

4479
03:00:08,630 --> 03:00:06,720
genetically compromised over time

4480
03:00:10,630 --> 03:00:08,640
because we build up mutations over the

4481
03:00:12,950 --> 03:00:10,640
years over the millennia the human race

4482
03:00:15,830 --> 03:00:12,960
has been we have been accumulating

4483
03:00:18,230 --> 03:00:15,840
deleterious mutations so we're like the

4484
03:00:20,309 --> 03:00:18,240
x-men except we're the crappy x-men

4485
03:00:23,110 --> 03:00:20,319
we're the x-men whose mutations are all

4486
03:00:24,950 --> 03:00:23,120
bad right they're debilitating right so

4487
03:00:27,269 --> 03:00:24,960
we're like the x-men in wheelchairs and

4488
03:00:29,349 --> 03:00:27,279
we're the x-men with uh you know with uh

4489
03:00:31,510 --> 03:00:29,359
crutches and and and uh getting

4490
03:00:33,910 --> 03:00:31,520
chemotherapy in the cancer ward we're

4491
03:00:36,309 --> 03:00:33,920
not we're not mutating and getting

4492
03:00:38,790 --> 03:00:36,319
super powers quite the opposite we're

4493
03:00:41,910 --> 03:00:38,800
crappy versions of atom because we've

4494
03:00:43,830 --> 03:00:41,920
degenerated we're subject to entropy and

4495
03:00:45,910 --> 03:00:43,840
so we're if you talk to population

4496
03:00:49,269 --> 03:00:45,920
geneticists they use a term called

4497
03:00:51,030 --> 03:00:49,279
um error catastrophe and that is this

4498
03:00:52,389 --> 03:00:51,040
future event and i talk again i talk

4499
03:00:54,389 --> 03:00:52,399
about this in my book for people want to

4500
03:00:57,110 --> 03:00:54,399
delve deeper into that um there's this

4501
03:00:59,110 --> 03:00:57,120
future event forecasted where the human

4502
03:01:01,590 --> 03:00:59,120
genome is no longer going to be viable

4503
03:01:04,710 --> 03:01:01,600
because it's going to be so laden with

4504
03:01:06,150 --> 03:01:04,720
deleterious negative mutations

4505
03:01:08,550 --> 03:01:06,160
and so we're not even able to be

4506
03:01:11,510 --> 03:01:08,560
reproductively viable anymore because

4507
03:01:12,950 --> 03:01:11,520
we're so crappy now and and we why so

4508
03:01:15,269 --> 03:01:12,960
people say well how can we live longer

4509
03:01:18,230 --> 03:01:15,279
than you know than 100 200 years ago

4510
03:01:20,070 --> 03:01:18,240
because we have a technological prop

4511
03:01:22,469 --> 03:01:20,080
we have the prop of technology it's

4512
03:01:24,630 --> 03:01:22,479
propping us up it's a it's a it's a

4513
03:01:26,150 --> 03:01:24,640
crutch we have this crutch of technology

4514
03:01:28,790 --> 03:01:26,160
that if you were to kick this crutch out

4515
03:01:30,309 --> 03:01:28,800
from under us and if people dispute this

4516
03:01:32,070 --> 03:01:30,319
how many people do you know that have

4517
03:01:34,309 --> 03:01:32,080
diabetes that if they were to suddenly

4518
03:01:36,230 --> 03:01:34,319
not have access to their insulin how

4519
03:01:37,429 --> 03:01:36,240
long would they live

4520
03:01:42,870 --> 03:01:37,439
not long

4521
03:01:44,790 --> 03:01:42,880
dead within a week if we took all of the

4522
03:01:46,630 --> 03:01:44,800
technology away you no longer get your

4523
03:01:49,670 --> 03:01:46,640
medications you don't get your

4524
03:01:51,670 --> 03:01:49,680
transplants you don't get your stints

4525
03:01:54,150 --> 03:01:51,680
you tell me how good we would be looking

4526
03:01:55,910 --> 03:01:54,160
how fit the human species would look at

4527
03:01:57,910 --> 03:01:55,920
that point yeah with that it would be

4528
03:01:59,830 --> 03:01:57,920
miserable you know what our life

4529
03:02:01,910 --> 03:01:59,840
expectancy would plummet the average

4530
03:02:04,550 --> 03:02:01,920
life expectancy would be where it was a

4531
03:02:07,030 --> 03:02:04,560
hundred years ago 200 years ago we'd be

4532
03:02:09,990 --> 03:02:07,040
40 50 60 years old checking out of here

4533
03:02:11,670 --> 03:02:10,000
right without penicillin

4534
03:02:14,309 --> 03:02:11,680
right does that sound like evolution to

4535
03:02:17,429 --> 03:02:14,319
you no no it doesn't and and i speak

4536
03:02:21,429 --> 03:02:17,439
about entropy all the time timothy now

4537
03:02:23,510 --> 03:02:21,439
uh were were uh well passed uh i've got

4538
03:02:24,790 --> 03:02:23,520
to wrap this or we're gonna get cut off

4539
03:02:26,790 --> 03:02:24,800
by the network

4540
03:02:29,110 --> 03:02:26,800
um so really quickly

4541
03:02:30,790 --> 03:02:29,120
uh where can everybody go and check out

4542
03:02:32,630 --> 03:02:30,800
uh uh

4543
03:02:35,510 --> 03:02:32,640
albarino tv

4544
03:02:36,870 --> 03:02:35,520
and and how often are you uh putting out

4545
03:02:38,550 --> 03:02:36,880
new stuff

4546
03:02:40,469 --> 03:02:38,560
i have a youtube channel just go on

4547
03:02:42,630 --> 03:02:40,479
youtube type in timotheobrino um i've

4548
03:02:44,630 --> 03:02:42,640
been not very active on there but i've

4549
03:02:46,150 --> 03:02:44,640
got a lecture series i've been doing

4550
03:02:47,590 --> 03:02:46,160
it's theological lecture series on the

4551
03:02:50,070 --> 03:02:47,600
content of my book if you're interested

4552
03:02:51,590 --> 03:02:50,080
in my book birthright the full title is

4553
03:02:53,990 --> 03:02:51,600
birthright the coming post-human

4554
03:02:55,830 --> 03:02:54,000
apocalypse and the usurpation of adam's

4555
03:02:57,030 --> 03:02:55,840
dominion on planet earth it encompasses

4556
03:02:59,349 --> 03:02:57,040
everything we've been talking about

4557
03:03:01,750 --> 03:02:59,359
tonight you can find that on amazon and

4558
03:03:03,670 --> 03:03:01,760
only on amazon.com just type my name and

4559
03:03:05,830 --> 03:03:03,680
type in birthright you'll see it

4560
03:03:07,429 --> 03:03:05,840
um and you know i have a podcast too

4561
03:03:08,950 --> 03:03:07,439
called the albrino analysis the podcast

4562
03:03:10,630 --> 03:03:08,960
is just the audio version of the videos

4563
03:03:12,550 --> 03:03:10,640
i'm doing on youtube and you can go to

4564
03:03:13,990 --> 03:03:12,560
my website timothyelbeno.com there's one

4565
03:03:15,349 --> 03:03:14,000
other thing i'd like to say i'm doing an

4566
03:03:16,150 --> 03:03:15,359
amazon

4567
03:03:18,469 --> 03:03:16,160
uh

4568
03:03:20,309 --> 03:03:18,479
cruise from the 1st of february through

4569
03:03:21,590 --> 03:03:20,319
the 5th anybody interested in going on

4570
03:03:24,309 --> 03:03:21,600
that cruise with me is going to be a

4571
03:03:26,230 --> 03:03:24,319
blast go check it out on my uh

4572
03:03:28,550 --> 03:03:26,240
on my it's a conference too that i'm

4573
03:03:29,670 --> 03:03:28,560
speaking at with a my uh uh colleague of

4574
03:03:32,550 --> 03:03:29,680
mine

4575
03:03:33,510 --> 03:03:32,560
in the amazon on a on a luxury boat uh

4576
03:03:34,710 --> 03:03:33,520
from the first through the fifth of

4577
03:03:36,230 --> 03:03:34,720
february so if you're interested in that

4578
03:03:38,070 --> 03:03:36,240
go check it out on my website man i

4579
03:03:39,750 --> 03:03:38,080
think i'm gonna sign up for that timothy

4580
03:03:42,230 --> 03:03:39,760
i look forward to our next conversation

4581
03:03:44,550 --> 03:03:42,240
my friend thank you so much this was

4582
03:03:46,150 --> 03:03:44,560
this was really fun this is a perfect

4583
03:03:49,349 --> 03:03:46,160
night on the show and i've got to go

4584
03:03:51,910 --> 03:03:49,359
straight to credits we literally went

4585
03:03:54,630 --> 03:03:51,920
bumper to bumper tonight again timothy's

4586
03:03:57,269 --> 03:03:54,640
links are over at jimmychurchradio.com

4587
03:03:59,990 --> 03:03:57,279
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03:04:01,830 --> 03:04:00,000
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4591
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03:04:13,269 --> 03:04:11,279
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03:04:18,630 --> 03:04:14,720
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03:04:20,389 --> 03:04:18,640
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03:04:22,950 --> 03:04:20,399
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03:04:32,070 --> 03:04:29,600
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03:04:36,790 --> 03:04:34,720
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03:04:40,700 --> 03:04:36,800
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03:04:50,100 --> 03:04:40,710
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